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Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging

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Post by dwedge »

nothinkjustai wrote: post #16
tylerchilds wrote: post #13

Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.

Apple feels like the only big tech company that remotely cares about its users. Thank god they make the best computer and OS too. I’m sure this will not be a popular take on HN however.

Android was originally enticing because of iOS locking everything down and controlling the ecosystem

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Post by al_borland »

tylerchilds wrote: post #13

Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.

I usually defend Siri, because I’m perfectly fine trading a little functionality for security. I prefer it that way.

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Post by throw1234567891 »

nothinkjustai wrote: post #16
tylerchilds wrote: post #13

Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.

Apple feels like the only big tech company that remotely cares about its users. Thank god they make the best computer and OS too. I’m sure this will not be a popular take on HN however.

“But I want my freedom, I want to install whatever I want, bad Apple for locking down my devices away from me.”

They stay rather secure because of all these measures. But they’ll get dismantled, too. Because idiots push idiots in power to weaken Apple’s stance. Useful idiots is the right term.

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Post by mrexcess »

ergocoder wrote: post #8
daft_pink wrote: post #7

I'm not sure the value of end to end encryption for proprietary application chats. For emails and SMS messages, your messages are being sent between different multiple servers on the open internet and it opens you up to spying, but end to end encryption on instagram is only protecting your chats from Meta. I find the end to end encryption on Facebook to be detrimental to ease of use, because you always have to use a…

Actually, by doing e2e encryption, Meta can say to the authorities that Meta doesn't see any message and cannot be blamed for anything. We cannot snoop user's conversation, and that's generally a good thing. The authority holds Meta responsible anyway; they don't care about the implementation detail. They want to catch a pedo, and Meta is unable to produce evidence that helps them. Everyone else will yell at Meta for…

> The authority holds Meta responsible anyway

What form of accountability are you suggesting is even being leveraged, here? No law could force Meta to backdoor its encryption, afaik. Public pressure would be unlikely to work.

Is Meta afraid of anything real, or is this just blame shifting via ungrounded speculation?

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Post by dyauspitr »

tylerchilds wrote: post #13

Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.

Privacy is the reason I’m still on team Apple.

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Post by [deleted] »

nothinkjustai wrote: post #16
tylerchilds wrote: post #13

Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.

Apple feels like the only big tech company that remotely cares about its users. Thank god they make the best computer and OS too. I’m sure this will not be a popular take on HN however.

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Post by stego-tech »

al_borland wrote: post #22
tylerchilds wrote: post #13

Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.

I usually defend Siri, because I’m perfectly fine trading a little functionality for security. I prefer it that way.

Same. The fact they're shoving AI into it and expanding it to providers who don't have privacy as a guiding principle is a key reason I'm sitting on a 14 Pro still, and why I'm exploring local alternatives with Home Assistant.

Besides, we just need to set verbal timers and control music. We don't need a full-blown verbal Oracle.

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Post by weberer »

chadgpt2 wrote: post #9
2ndorderthought wrote: post #4

Instagram should be shut down. Not using encryption for social media and places where users expect any level of privacy is insanity.

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Yes, most people have the expectation that the carrier is not actively snooping on their conversations.

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Post by alex1138 »

While encryption already ruined FB Messenger (no comment on IG encryption or lack of but people have hated Insta since Zuck took over)

While they ALREADY probably only have Messenger for nefarious reasons https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4151433

He's a bit of a... something. That might get a 'low effort comment' moniker attached to it. Rhymes with ociopath

Re: Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging

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Post by bramhaag »

dyauspitr wrote: post #25
tylerchilds wrote: post #13

Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.

Privacy is the reason I’m still on team Apple.

Apple's response to the UK gov asking to see users' iCloud data says enough about where their priorities lie [1]. They do something far worse in China [2].

Don't fool yourself into believing Apple cares about your privacy. They care about money.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo

[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/technology/apple-moves-to-st...

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