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Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by rolymath »

invalidSyntax wrote: post #13
nickserv wrote: post #10

Wow, so much negativity, when the app scores really high on things that are supposed to be important here: * Desktop first, no electron crap * Open source and free * Linux first * Subjective, but to me it looks clean If getting all that means using some AI vibe code, that's fine by me. Who isn't these days anyway? (Be honest!) Anyway I hope the project is successful, more choice and competition in Matrix clients is a…

Vibe coding isn't bad. It's those people who do all there coding(?) with it and post it like it's there creation is the problem.

This applies to all software. You didn't make the monitor your app is being displayed on. Stop taking credit for the compiler that made your code runnable, etc.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by Arcuru »

nickserv wrote: post #10

Wow, so much negativity, when the app scores really high on things that are supposed to be important here: * Desktop first, no electron crap * Open source and free * Linux first * Subjective, but to me it looks clean If getting all that means using some AI vibe code, that's fine by me. Who isn't these days anyway? (Be honest!) Anyway I hope the project is successful, more choice and competition in Matrix clients is a…

It's because they:

1. Forked an existing app that has all the features you listed.

2. Admit they don't really know the language and tech it uses.

3. Said upstream was too slow, but I don't see any(?) PRs from them on upstream besides the 2 that they list in the post. Their fork appears to have an extra 3,000 commits.

I'm not super against them doing this, but it's pretty easy to see why people don't like it. Hell, this is the same group that upgraded one of my side-projects from a few years ago and improved it into their 'baibot' matrix bot, so I wish them all the best. I like people making money from OSS, more power to them.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by spantaleev »

Arcuru wrote: post #22
nickserv wrote: post #10

Wow, so much negativity, when the app scores really high on things that are supposed to be important here: * Desktop first, no electron crap * Open source and free * Linux first * Subjective, but to me it looks clean If getting all that means using some AI vibe code, that's fine by me. Who isn't these days anyway? (Be honest!) Anyway I hope the project is successful, more choice and competition in Matrix clients is a…

It's because they: 1. Forked an existing app that has all the features you listed. 2. Admit they don't really know the language and tech it uses. 3. Said upstream was too slow, but I don't see any(?) PRs from them on upstream besides the 2 that they list in the post. Their fork appears to have an extra 3,000 commits. I'm not super against them doing this, but it's pretty easy to see why people don't like it. Hell, th…

Your Rust-based AI chatbot (https://github.com/arcuru/chaz) was an inspiration!

It made me think: we don't have to suffer the brokenness of the old bot (https://github.com/matrixgpt/matrix-chatgpt-bot) anymore. Still, I wanted something more thread-based and more powerful than what you had built.. and I wanted a playground to learn some Rust.

To clarify for anyone that might get confused: baibot (https://github.com/etkecc/baibot) is not based on any of the chaz code, nor on the matrix-chatgpt-bot code. It's completely manually-built / independently-built (in Rust), by me, over multiple months of unpaid FOSS work.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by TonyStr »

azertify wrote: post #16

I really like the Matrix ecosystem, and this client seems like a cool addition, but how are posts like this with a load of AI generated prose getting on the front page? I can't say how frustrating it is to be midway through reading something and realise there's no human author.

> midway through reading something

Maybe it's because I scrolled down before reading, but I could instantly tell this entire text was AI slop from the massive overuse of emojis and bullet points.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by ushimitsudoki »

Today’s lesson learned:

When Show-ing your app on HN:

- Don't mention "vibe coding."

- Stay away from emojis.

Personally, I believe that a programmer's true skill today lies in how effectively they can leverage AI, and I’m all-in on vibe coding myself. But seeing the reaction here, I’m starting to think I should have thought twice before sharing my app on HN.

Even this post was translated by AI... I guess that’s probably a strike three, isn't it?

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by solarkraft »

TonyStr wrote: post #25
azertify wrote: post #16

I really like the Matrix ecosystem, and this client seems like a cool addition, but how are posts like this with a load of AI generated prose getting on the front page? I can't say how frustrating it is to be midway through reading something and realise there's no human author.

> midway through reading something Maybe it's because I scrolled down before reading, but I could instantly tell this entire text was AI slop from the massive overuse of emojis and bullet points.

You let yourself be blinded. There’s nothing slop about this. Every sentence is crisp and meaningful.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by mrsssnake »

nickserv wrote: post #11
unlicensed wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is utterly annoying to see emojis pollute information presented in a technical manner. It’s the hallmark of generated technical slop and seems to appeal to the perpetual resume polishers found on LinkedIn.

A lot of younger developers seem to really like this. Not a big fan personally, but you gotta live with the times I suppose. I do draw the line when they start putting them in console outputs though.

Emojis can be nice, their color alone makes looking up headings easier. But everything has a limit.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by mrsssnake »

spantaleev wrote: post #20
mrsssnake wrote: post #5

While I could understand some AI assistance, I just cannot look at such README with clearly sloppy too detailed nonsense app icon and eyesore emoji vomit: https://github.com/etkecc/komai

This is a FOSS project with absolutely no funding. There's no designer around to do a professional SVG logo, so we make use of what's there - AI to generate the (raster image) icon and then some tools to turn that into an SVG. It turned out a little rough around some edges, but still good enough, I think. If anyone would like to polish it up, PRs are most welcome! Icons may be a matter of taste. This one may be too d…

I do appreciate doing unpaid volunteer work. My comment sounds clingy, not is not a demand more of a pointing out.

Icon can really be a generic SVG taken from some CC stock website, if there is no time for anything else, would look much better. Getting rid of emoji vomit is one prompt away. I might do a PR if I find free five minutes.

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