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Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by fsckboy »

askonomm wrote: post #3

I mean to be expected of Google. Even their Google Pay sends data to their servers whenever you use it to make payments, effectively also making it so you can't even use it without service. Apple Pay does not, runs the whole thing on-device, and not only is private, but as a result also enables payments entirely offline.

>Apple Pay does not, runs the whole thing on-device

so when I use the physical card that is also on Apple Pay, and Apple Pay tells me I just made a transaction as if I had used Apple Pay, that is all happening on my device? what online service is my phone using to track my account with Visa or my credit card issuer, and it's polling or push?

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by newsoftheday »

askonomm wrote: post #3

I mean to be expected of Google. Even their Google Pay sends data to their servers whenever you use it to make payments, effectively also making it so you can't even use it without service. Apple Pay does not, runs the whole thing on-device, and not only is private, but as a result also enables payments entirely offline.

Wow...that seriously may change my long standing anti-Mac disdain to pro-Mac advocacy, very interesting, even Gemini confirmed what you're saying.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by RobRivera »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #11

I know that I'm in a bit of a bubble with this one, but I am surprised there is still anyone using Chrome instead of Brave. I get the dependency on Gmail other Google-specific tools, but the built-in ad blocking and Google-free aspects of it made me switch instantly and haven't look back after years.

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Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by plopz »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #11

I know that I'm in a bit of a bubble with this one, but I am surprised there is still anyone using Chrome instead of Brave. I get the dependency on Gmail other Google-specific tools, but the built-in ad blocking and Google-free aspects of it made me switch instantly and haven't look back after years.

Brave started off incredibly sketchy and with terrible reputation, for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999

I haven't ever considered it since and I assume many others are in the same boat.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by iamjackg »

waterloser wrote: post #15
gchamonlive wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it sends the payload after coming back online, but for I can for instance leave with only my galaxy watch 6, which doesn't have esim, and I'm able to make payments as long as I connect it with my phone before leaving the house.

If your phone doesn't have connection does it still work on your galaxy watch? Or if you leave the phone behind?

I think the comment's saying that they leave the phone at home, and the watch works by itself as long as it was connected to the phone before leaving the house.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by SecretDreams »

newsoftheday wrote: post #20
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #11

I know that I'm in a bit of a bubble with this one, but I am surprised there is still anyone using Chrome instead of Brave. I get the dependency on Gmail other Google-specific tools, but the built-in ad blocking and Google-free aspects of it made me switch instantly and haven't look back after years.

My theory is that, since I'm going to do things like banking in my browser, I want one that has a lot of skin in the game. Chrome being backed by Google has trillions of dollars on the line should they ever do anything truly evil. Though this sneaky 4GB download comes close.

There's no skin in the game if they do not think they'll be meaningfully punished by government or consumers for their wrongdoings.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by amatecha »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #11

I know that I'm in a bit of a bubble with this one, but I am surprised there is still anyone using Chrome instead of Brave. I get the dependency on Gmail other Google-specific tools, but the built-in ad blocking and Google-free aspects of it made me switch instantly and haven't look back after years.

I'm just surprised people use Chrome at all. Google has proven over and over they can't be trusted and will exploit you every chance they get.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by Hamuko »

fsckboy wrote: post #21
askonomm wrote: post #3

I mean to be expected of Google. Even their Google Pay sends data to their servers whenever you use it to make payments, effectively also making it so you can't even use it without service. Apple Pay does not, runs the whole thing on-device, and not only is private, but as a result also enables payments entirely offline.

> Apple Pay does not, runs the whole thing on-device so when I use the physical card that is also on Apple Pay, and Apple Pay tells me I just made a transaction as if I had used Apple Pay, that is all happening on my device? what online service is my phone using to track my account with Visa or my credit card issuer, and it's polling or push?

You get a notification from Apple Pay when you pay with your physical card? Because I only get a notification from my bank's app whenever I use my physical card. Apple Pay notifications only pop up when using Apple Pay itself.

Re: Chrome removes claim of On-device Al not sending data to Google Servers

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Post by Hamuko »

gchamonlive wrote: post #10
askonomm wrote: post #3

I mean to be expected of Google. Even their Google Pay sends data to their servers whenever you use it to make payments, effectively also making it so you can't even use it without service. Apple Pay does not, runs the whole thing on-device, and not only is private, but as a result also enables payments entirely offline.

Maybe it sends the payload after coming back online, but for I can for instance leave with only my galaxy watch 6, which doesn't have esim, and I'm able to make payments as long as I connect it with my phone before leaving the house.

Google Pay works for a limited amount of uses in offline mode.

https://9to5google.com/2023/12/20/google-wallet-without-inte...

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