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Intel CEO Paul Otellini to Retire in May

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Re: Intel CEO Paul Otellini to Retire in May

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Which "new devices" are you referring to? As far as I know the Nexus One and Nexus 4 use Qualcomm CPUs, and the Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, and Nexus 10 all use ARM CPUs. Edit: Thanks to those who pointed out that I'd forgotten the Chromebooks and Google TV. Given the limited extent to which Google have marketed these devices, I'm not sure whether they can be said to have failed yet. And even if they have failed,…

All the unsuccessful Chromebooks and the Revue Google TV. Both of those have only recently started to pick-up when they started using ARM chips. And now Google is repeating the mistake by starting to put Intel chips in its Motorola devices. This is also a very bad strategic mistake because if Intel succeeds in mobile, and becomes popular, who do you think it will help most? Google? No way. That situation would help M…

Trust me when I say that the lack of success of Chromebooks and Google TV have very little to do with Intel.

With that said, Intel has been way too slow in its race against ARM, but saying that this has impacted Google I don't find credible.

Re: Intel CEO Paul Otellini to Retire in May

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Bummed to see that the financial achievements were noted before the technical ones (and that the true technical achievements were relegated to a single bullet point).

This is hard to do at scale: "* Achieved breakthrough innovations, including High-K/Metal gate and now 3-D Tri-gate transistors; and dramatic improvement in energy efficiency of Intel processors"

Re: Intel CEO Paul Otellini to Retire in May

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post #18

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Is 38 not nearly 40?

Huh, when someone says nearly forty years (in connection with human lifetimes) I assume the margin of error is at most a year. Human lives are too short and years too long.

'You Know What They Say About Assumptions, it makes an ass outa u and me'

tldr; you're an ass.

Re: Intel CEO Paul Otellini to Retire in May

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I do remember feeling a little disappointed when Paul Otellini was announced as CEO. Paul's an impressive guy, and a local boy, but he is an econ major/MBA, and I always find it a little depressing to learn that a venerable tech company will now be led by someone without a strong engineering or science background. Actually, I think "first non-technical CEO" probably deserves a notch on a technology company's time lin…

The first non-tech CEO is usually a strong sign that a company has grown from a startup with a single product focus to a long-term viable business with a diversified product portfolio. (Think GE, AT&T, Boeing etc.)

For people in the HN community, this is mostly horrific because it represents everything they avoid. However, for almost everyone else out there that is working for the purpose of simply providing for their families, the stability and strength of a diversified company is typically a major positive.

The thing that is always missing from the HN discussions about how bad MBAs are for a company etc. is that at the extremes of business, business becomes highly technical and requires someone who is technically proficient at business.

Knowing how to create the next high end transistor technology which maintains Moore's law is amazing, but that person is highly unlikely to keep a company of Intel's size successful.

Re: Intel CEO Paul Otellini to Retire in May

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So according to Moore's law, he should have seen things get 106528681 times more transistors at Intel!

Moore's law: Transistor count doubles every 18 months. Assuming 40 years at the company (it's a bit less) that's: 2^(40/1.5) = 67,108,864

The 62 Core Xeon Phi has 5 billion transistors. Divided by that number is: 149. That's a bit low. The Intel 8080 that came out in 1974 (when he joined the company) had 4,500 transistors. Looks like Moore's law has been slowing down a bit in recent years. Probably due to the focus on reduced energy usage.

EDIT: It works out if you replace "18 months" by "24 months". Revised value: 2^(38/2) = 524288. Impressive still.

Re: Intel CEO Paul Otellini to Retire in May

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post #16

I do remember feeling a little disappointed when Paul Otellini was announced as CEO. Paul's an impressive guy, and a local boy, but he is an econ major/MBA, and I always find it a little depressing to learn that a venerable tech company will now be led by someone without a strong engineering or science background. Actually, I think "first non-technical CEO" probably deserves a notch on a technology company's time lin…

The first non-tech CEO is usually a strong sign that a company has grown from a startup with a single product focus to a long-term viable business with a diversified product portfolio. (Think GE, AT&T, Boeing etc.) For people in the HN community, this is mostly horrific because it represents everything they avoid. However, for almost everyone else out there that is working for the purpose of simply providing for thei…

that person is highly unlikely to keep a company of Intel's size successful.

Perhaps so... particularly in the moment. To me, it's more a question of whether that CEO is a person who once would have known how to create the next high end transistor (or whatever technology innovation is central to the business) and is still able to have that conversation as an engineer/scientist.

For instance, I doubt Andy Grove, at the end of his tenure, would have been able to do that kind of tech work in the moment, but he had a PhD in engineering and had a very deep knowledge of the technology as well as the business. He did make some very typical-of-engineers mistakes when intel decided to raise its consumer profile. And I'm not trying to bring up a debate around Andy Grove's management style (though of course, people are free to comment what they like). But it's hard to say he didn't keep the company successful, even at a very large scale.

Otellini was a successful CEO, but (I actually don't know this for sure) did he ever have the ability to do the core tech work behind intel's product?

I suppose that in this era of high profile non-tech CEO flameouts (HP, Yahoo), Otellini may actually be a counter-example that a non-technical CEO can still be quite successful.

Re: Intel CEO Paul Otellini to Retire in May

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What a legacy -- he retires the same day that Intel wins. AMD just ceded the high margin CPU business to concentrate on the volume CPU business. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4804602 Otellini's successor will be playing a different game, fighting ARM rather than AMD.

AMD has denied that report and the article now reflects this info. FTA: Updated 11/19/2012@10:15am: AMD contacted us with an official denial of the story and stated that Kaveri and the big cores are still on track.

Re: Intel CEO Paul Otellini to Retire in May

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A good time for him to leave before the downwards trend of Intel becomes more obvious, and people start blaming it on him. I hope he leaves the board of Google, too, because I don't like how he has influenced some of Google's decisions in the past few years, to use Intel chips instead of ARM in their new devices, and every single one of them turned out to be the wrong decision.

Which "new devices" are you referring to? As far as I know the Nexus One and Nexus 4 use Qualcomm CPUs, and the Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, and Nexus 10 all use ARM CPUs. Edit: Thanks to those who pointed out that I'd forgotten the Chromebooks and Google TV. Given the limited extent to which Google have marketed these devices, I'm not sure whether they can be said to have failed yet. And even if they have failed,…

There's also motorola razr-i (europe only).

Re: Intel CEO Paul Otellini to Retire in May

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A good time for him to leave before the downwards trend of Intel becomes more obvious, and people start blaming it on him. I hope he leaves the board of Google, too, because I don't like how he has influenced some of Google's decisions in the past few years, to use Intel chips instead of ARM in their new devices, and every single one of them turned out to be the wrong decision.

This is the most biased and unscientific statement. Where the hell is the downvote button? How does using Intel chips make Google products unsuccessful? Apple has been using Intel chips for several years (although they want to move to ARM soon), and Apple products are/were very successful. The scientific explaination to the failure of ChroomBook is a revolutionary idea. People want to access their data even on the train.What makes you think a cloud-based OS will win? Duh. Wifi sucks. Home Internet sucks too. TV? Apple TV sucks too, why would Google TV be any different? Netflix works with TV vendors and embedded webapp into TV. That's included in the TV price. More useful than an extra box.

Re: Intel CEO Paul Otellini to Retire in May

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reports are that the Razr i based on an Intel processor is competitive -- similar performance & power usage to an S4 with twice the number of cores. The pre-game warmup is complete. Now the game starts.

Right, they're playing the game and have competetive parts. What the ARM-is-the-future people fail to recognize is that the x86 world isn't remotely dead. Relative to consumer SoCs, Intel makes shockingly high margins on its desktop and server silicon. It simply doesn't make sense for them to be making high volume embedded chips unless they have excess fab capacity (which they don't). The Medfield chips are performan…

> It simply doesn't make sense for them to be making high volume embedded chips unless they have excess fab capacity (which they don't).

Well they desperately want to do it anyway. Anyway by your very reasoning, they won't do high volume chips (you added embedded but it does not matter, you just can't reach the same volume as embedded chips with such higher prices). Whether they not reach that for a reason or another does not matter much; but the consequences of that fail could be hard. The desktop and server world is not going away, the x86 world also is here to stay, but there is no hard limit to the changes of market repartition that can happen even there. IBM is still very powerful with their mainframes, and Intel could follow that path for (a part of) desktops and servers, but the more they allow the ARM world to develop, the more their share is at risk on their own land in the long term.

The problem is that SoC offering not only matters now, but it even has mattered for several years, and Intel had no offering, sill has no serious one, and is probably not even going to have no serious one for several other years. For a company with such resources, this is crazy. And when you take a look at the press communicate to try to understand what they think that matter, you do not expect big changes: "operations and the cost structure" i don't know enough to judge so i give it the benefit of the doubt, "breakthrough innovations" are real important stuff, so good point here; but: - "Reinvented the PC with Ultrabook™ devices" Intel, desktops and servers, are here to stay, we agree on that. But their market share is at risk, because these markets are not isolated island. Intel won't be able to increase their prices too much, so if their market decrease too much, do the maths.

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