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Canadian fiddler sues Google after AI Overview claimed he was a sex offender

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Re: Canadian fiddler sues Google after AI Overview claimed he was a sex offender

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This is especially troubling from a sociological perspective, as it points to how AIs turn malice into false history. Ashley MacIsaac made waves in the nineties for being openly gay, and he paid his dues for years. I vividly recall being around a barroom table in the late nineties, listening to this specific slander. We knew it was slander though, because there was no evidence. We had no machine yet to confabulate it…

It wasn't just because he was in the 10%. He was proudly a member of a small minority within a minority when it came to certain predilections.

But those predilections did not include minors. One might be not able to say he has gone without sin, but not that sin.

Re: Canadian fiddler sues Google after AI Overview claimed he was a sex offender

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US Freedom of speech will not work in Canadian courts, Google will have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, what the AI said is true. If they are smart they will settle out of court.

Defamation is illegal even in the US, though the standards to prove it are stricter than many other countries

Re: Canadian fiddler sues Google after AI Overview claimed he was a sex offender

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> Google should not have lesser liability because the defamatory statements were published by software that Google created and controls. Therein lies the rub. Google does not control what its parrot spouts. No-one does.

Well "to control" means two different things: "having the ability to modify or interrupt something" and "having the willingness to exert that ability". OP says Google has the first. You are saying Google doesn't have the second. Both of you are right in that sense. You are wrong in the sense that the second doesn't matter much here. If I remove my hands from the wheel of my car, while it would be technically true tha…

> You are saying Google doesn't have the second.

No. Nearer the first.

"to order, limit, or rule something, or someone's actions or behaviour".

Google's parrot is out of its control.

Re: Canadian fiddler sues Google after AI Overview claimed he was a sex offender

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well "to control" means two different things: "having the ability to modify or interrupt something" and "having the willingness to exert that ability". OP says Google has the first. You are saying Google doesn't have the second. Both of you are right in that sense. You are wrong in the sense that the second doesn't matter much here. If I remove my hands from the wheel of my car, while it would be technically true tha…

> You are saying Google doesn't have the second. No. Nearer the first. "to order, limit, or rule something, or someone's actions or behaviour". Google's parrot is out of its control.

Who pays the eletricity for the server generating this nonsense?

Re: Canadian fiddler sues Google after AI Overview claimed he was a sex offender

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post #21
post #6

This is especially troubling from a sociological perspective, as it points to how AIs turn malice into false history. Ashley MacIsaac made waves in the nineties for being openly gay, and he paid his dues for years. I vividly recall being around a barroom table in the late nineties, listening to this specific slander. We knew it was slander though, because there was no evidence. We had no machine yet to confabulate it…

It wasn't just because he was in the 10%. He was proudly a member of a small minority within a minority when it came to certain predilections. But those predilections did not include minors. One might be not able to say he has gone without sin, but not that sin.

What the hell are you talking about?

Re: Canadian fiddler sues Google after AI Overview claimed he was a sex offender

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post #25
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't just because he was in the 10%. He was proudly a member of a small minority within a minority when it came to certain predilections. But those predilections did not include minors. One might be not able to say he has gone without sin, but not that sin.

What the hell are you talking about?

His wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_MacIsaac) mentions (with citation) a particular kink he has self-reported.

Re: Canadian fiddler sues Google after AI Overview claimed he was a sex offender

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If you build something and put it on the internet and have it doing it's thing by default then yes you need to be responsible for the consequences of releasing that. That's moral rights, and law needs to keep that intact.

Shoving unwanted experimental AI down everyone's throat is a bad idea and absolutely should have consequences.

Having AI peppered everywhere that can hallucinate or amplify damaging falsehoods is dangerous. AI results really should be something one specifically requests and not supersede search results as a default.

I also worry about the possible side effects of an overcorrection, like if AI companies embed a "Don't say any bad things ever" rule which would suppress critical perspectives.

Back when studying top-down AI in the 90s, everything we did was examined through a precautionary principal and liability was rule #1. It blows my mind how far we have moved away from those principals.

Re: Canadian fiddler sues Google after AI Overview claimed he was a sex offender

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post #26
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the hell are you talking about?

His wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_MacIsaac ) mentions (with citation) a particular kink he has self-reported.

Who cares?
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