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Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Post by emsign »

giwook wrote: post #8

"In March, a spokesperson for Meta told The Guardian that the decision to abandon encryption was due to low uptake. "Very few people were opting in to end-to-end encrypted messaging in DMs, so we're removing this option from Instagram in the coming months," the spokesperson said." I wonder what it's like being a spokesperson for a company (or administration) where everyone including yourself knows your statements are…

It feels similar to being a buzzing fridge. These people possibly can't have any feelings or else they couldn't do that job.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Post by dmos62 »

copper-float wrote: post #18
nickburns wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Failing to connect those dots is (unfortunately) what keeps many, many people from moving their otherwise private conversations to a more private channel. I think you're right that it bears mentioning.

What's a sufficiently private/secure messaging platform? Signal comes to mind, but I'm open to alternatives.

A few people gave some input on this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47945392

Signal and Threema seem to be known for good UX and viability as everyday messengers.

There was this table: https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Post by emsign »

GlacierFox wrote: post #17
TheChaplain wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed it is a quite common attitude in society, not paid enough to care so they don't.

What do you mean? It's a depressing thought people only care about things for financial incentive.

It's true though. There actually exist people whose only incentive in life is the pay they receive or the profits they can make. It seems to be more common in the US where your worth as a human being is measured by your wealth. That's why the USA looks in most parts like a third world country with a few enclaves where the rich people live.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Post by settsu »

TheChaplain wrote: post #10
giwook wrote: post #8

"In March, a spokesperson for Meta told The Guardian that the decision to abandon encryption was due to low uptake. "Very few people were opting in to end-to-end encrypted messaging in DMs, so we're removing this option from Instagram in the coming months," the spokesperson said." I wonder what it's like being a spokesperson for a company (or administration) where everyone including yourself knows your statements are…

I've noticed it is a quite common attitude in society, not paid enough to care so they don't.

What you're describing more often applies to retail and service workers whose pay provides little incentive to do more than the absolute minimum to maintain employment.

Whereas it seems this might be a situation where the situation is actually inverse: being paid enough to not care.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Post by strictnein »

nrmitchi wrote: post #22
emsign wrote: post #19

Will the messages be used as training data now?

Yes.

No, it won't. All the "news" about that at the end of last year was 100% nonsense, started by tech "influencers" who cited nothing and showed nothing.

https://lifehacker.com/tech/meta-is-not-scraping-dms-to-trai...

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Post by lxgr »

nickburns wrote: post #14
dmos62 wrote: post #12

This might not be obvious to some, like it wasn't to me, but Instagram chat history is used for profiling. I noticed when I chatted with someone about something on Instagram, and instantly reels with the subject of our discussion started appearing in my feed.

Failing to connect those dots is (unfortunately) what keeps many, many people from moving their otherwise private conversations to a more private channel. I think you're right that it bears mentioning.

Many people are absolutely convinced that their phones are listening to their in-person conversations already, yet seem ok with continuing to use them.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Post by towers »

jckahn wrote: post #4
cdrnsf wrote: post #2

Everything Meta has built is antithetical to privacy. I’m surprised this feature existed at all.

I assume Meta has backdoor access.

Then why end the feature? Would it not be better to maintain the facade and continue to benefit from it?

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Post by towers »

SoftTalker wrote: post #20
copper-float wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a sufficiently private/secure messaging platform? Signal comes to mind, but I'm open to alternatives.

GPG-encrypted email.

Hard to convince others that are less knowledgeable and/or involved to use this over a typical mode of communication like Signal.

Re: Instagram Encrypted Messaging Ends on Friday, May 8

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Post by lxgr »

SoftTalker wrote: post #20
copper-float wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a sufficiently private/secure messaging platform? Signal comes to mind, but I'm open to alternatives.

GPG-encrypted email.

GPG doesn't support forward secrecy, which is table stakes for encrypted messaging these days. And that's to say nothing about the slightly suboptimal usabilty...
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