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Re: Heat pump sales rise across Europe

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Post by gpm »

raverbashing wrote: post #17
jakozaur wrote: post #8

A heat pump could win as the best HVAC technology, though a better drilling for ground-sourced ones. Just a shallow drilling (up to 100m) that works in retrofit mode, such as drilling from the basement, would be a great upgrade: - No outdoor unit that looks awful in many settings - works well, even in the coldest winter, without a spike in electricity usage, COP 5 - very reliable with long durability - super quiet, n…

Drilling only works if you have access to a garden where to drill. Any kind of apartment has to use the outdoor unit

If you're an individual with an apartment you don't have the choice to drill.

If you're building the apartment building you have the choice to drill for the entire building, and the number of units that benefit mean this is much more cost efficient than with single family homes.

Re: Heat pump sales rise across Europe

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Post by Marciplan »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7
Marciplan wrote: post #3

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> our waitinglist are 80% battery and heatpump sellers in the Benelux Lean into that. You’re currently a generic sales product. Focusing on a growing space, provided it doesn’t have an existing solution, will focus your team, product and pitch to both customers and investors.

yeah, you may be completely right :) ty!

Re: Heat pump sales rise across Europe

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Post by jltsiren »

mono442 wrote: post #12
jakozaur wrote: post #8

A heat pump could win as the best HVAC technology, though a better drilling for ground-sourced ones. Just a shallow drilling (up to 100m) that works in retrofit mode, such as drilling from the basement, would be a great upgrade: - No outdoor unit that looks awful in many settings - works well, even in the coldest winter, without a spike in electricity usage, COP 5 - very reliable with long durability - super quiet, n…

It's usually so much more expensive than an air source heat pump that makes it completely not worth it.

That depends on climate. The longer and colder your winters are, the more you benefit from the reliable efficiency of a ground source. Ground source heat pumps have been the most common choice for heating new single-family homes in Finland for the last ~20 years.

Re: Heat pump sales rise across Europe

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Post by ejoebstl »

In DACH, there's not really an alternative for many homes. Heat pumps are by now cheaper, more efficient, more versatile and definitely greener than other means of heating.

If you get one, just make sure to get the dimensioning right. They are WAY more complex to plan, install and maintain than traditional heating.

Re: Heat pump sales rise across Europe

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Post by frevib »

jakozaur wrote: post #8

A heat pump could win as the best HVAC technology, though a better drilling for ground-sourced ones. Just a shallow drilling (up to 100m) that works in retrofit mode, such as drilling from the basement, would be a great upgrade: - No outdoor unit that looks awful in many settings - works well, even in the coldest winter, without a spike in electricity usage, COP 5 - very reliable with long durability - super quiet, n…

Drilling alone is €10.000. The whole installation of a air/water heat pump is €10.000. Mostly not worth it.

Re: Heat pump sales rise across Europe

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Post by ndr42 »

> [it] become[s] cheaper than gas heating within 11 to 14 years

This a no-brainer for buildings with high energy use. But we looked into getting a heat pump last year but it doesn't pan out because our house (15 years old) has a very low energy use and we would not recover the costs (about 20K euros after subsidies) for 20+ years.

Re: Heat pump sales rise across Europe

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Post by hvb2 »

double0jimb0 wrote: post #20
jakozaur wrote: post #8

A heat pump could win as the best HVAC technology, though a better drilling for ground-sourced ones. Just a shallow drilling (up to 100m) that works in retrofit mode, such as drilling from the basement, would be a great upgrade: - No outdoor unit that looks awful in many settings - works well, even in the coldest winter, without a spike in electricity usage, COP 5 - very reliable with long durability - super quiet, n…

Ground source heat pump owner here in the US. The original system was installed in 2007, and the loop field was designed to "best knowledge at the time". Well in the 20 years since then, NREL changed guidance on how far apart and how deep loops need to be installed. Rightly so, because our circa-2007 is "short looped", it's not sufficient for the house loads, but there is nothing we do about it other than putting on…

Out of curiosity, has the demand stayed the same? I'm asking because you see the same with electricity grids, designed in a different time with much lower demand.

Sorry to hear this, it seems like a great system to me but you have to have the capacity right. I'm planning on getting one in the next year but the drilling will be more than we need and we opt for no glycol (yet) as that also gives us headroom

Re: Heat pump sales rise across Europe

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Post by giantg2 »

jltsiren wrote: post #23
mono442 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's usually so much more expensive than an air source heat pump that makes it completely not worth it.

That depends on climate. The longer and colder your winters are, the more you benefit from the reliable efficiency of a ground source. Ground source heat pumps have been the most common choice for heating new single-family homes in Finland for the last ~20 years.

Installation is probably relatively cheaper there due to volume too. In areas where it is less common, there is less competition and fewer options for competent installers.

Re: Heat pump sales rise across Europe

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Post by yxhuvud »

raverbashing wrote: post #17
jakozaur wrote: post #8

A heat pump could win as the best HVAC technology, though a better drilling for ground-sourced ones. Just a shallow drilling (up to 100m) that works in retrofit mode, such as drilling from the basement, would be a great upgrade: - No outdoor unit that looks awful in many settings - works well, even in the coldest winter, without a spike in electricity usage, COP 5 - very reliable with long durability - super quiet, n…

Drilling only works if you have access to a garden where to drill. Any kind of apartment has to use the outdoor unit

In sensible countries each housing unit have a central heating solution, regardless of where the heat comes from.

Re: Heat pump sales rise across Europe

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Post by stephencanon »

jakozaur wrote: post #8

A heat pump could win as the best HVAC technology, though a better drilling for ground-sourced ones. Just a shallow drilling (up to 100m) that works in retrofit mode, such as drilling from the basement, would be a great upgrade: - No outdoor unit that looks awful in many settings - works well, even in the coldest winter, without a spike in electricity usage, COP 5 - very reliable with long durability - super quiet, n…

We have a ground-source heat pump for our ADU. We did it because we were curious about just how efficient we could make the house, but I don't expect that it will ever break even financially vs a modern air-source system with resistive backup in our climate (northern New England, typically very few –20˚ nights, –10˚-0˚ more common with daytime highs in the single digits).

It works great, but it's hard to see a way to it making sense for most folks here.

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