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Over 8M Thermos jars and bottles recalled after 3 people lost vision

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Re: Over 8M Thermos jars and bottles recalled after 3 people lost vision

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Had this happen to me once, though totally my own fault. Was brewing kombucha, and left it out in the bottles a little too long before burping.

Me standing there, kombucha and peach slices pulverized against the cap, kombucha leaving a large mark on the ceiling it all happened so fast, glad I was wearing my glasses.

No injuries except my pride, but it did take some hours to clean up.

I wouldn't do it in a thermos, but I guess those are mostly accidents?

Re: Over 8M Thermos jars and bottles recalled after 3 people lost vision

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Initially assumed it was due to some sort of contamination or production defect. Turns out people leave perishable and fermenting foods in the thermos, and after a while when opened, the pressure lifts the lid of the thermos at quasi-unimaginable speeds, striking the curiously unsuspecting humans straight in the face, with some instances causing permanent damage to vision. Coffee is hot, but a pressure release system…

Isn't the point of a thermos to put "perishable and fermenting foods" in it, like coffee or tea? Like this could totally have been me, like make a thermos-full of coffee one day, then forget about it only to come back to in some weeks just to open it and have one of my eyes blown off

Re: Over 8M Thermos jars and bottles recalled after 3 people lost vision

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The whole point of Thermos is to keep things warm for a long time. That means pressure. It's a basic safety feature.

> The whole point of Thermos is to keep things warm for a long time. That means pressure. That by far is not enough to forcefully yeet out the cap, probably not even if you take it to an Antarctic research base in -40 °C outdoor weather. People forgetting about content that ferments however? Kaboom.

On a planet where fermentation exists, such as planet Earth, the only planet on which we, humans, reside and therefore where these containers are made and used, that means pressure.

Happy now?

Re: Over 8M Thermos jars and bottles recalled after 3 people lost vision

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I would have thought they could design the screwtop so that it would relase pressure before fully disengaging the lid from the flask.

That is what I was wondering. I would have thought it would need to be opened at eye level for the contents to hit the eye before being depressurised.

If it's a forceful opening and you're not holding the top tightly, then I imagine the top could launch upwards. I know from experience this can also happen if you put just a bit of boiling water in and seal it. The air expands under heat and will push the top out whilst you're unscrewing. A version of this top comes with a metal spoon & raised holder built in, providing some edges to hit you with and an extra projectile.

Re: Over 8M Thermos jars and bottles recalled after 3 people lost vision

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Well for one, so it doesn’t get recalled after getting a reputation for making people blind

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It's trivial to design a cap that leaks before it becomes mechanically free, and most lids are so designed. If this one becomes mechanically free at or before the seal allows any pressure differential to equalize, then it's an avoidable design defect that fails to meet current minimum standards.

Re: Over 8M Thermos jars and bottles recalled after 3 people lost vision

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Had this happen to me once, though totally my own fault. Was brewing kombucha, and left it out in the bottles a little too long before burping. Me standing there, kombucha and peach slices pulverized against the cap, kombucha leaving a large mark on the ceiling it all happened so fast, glad I was wearing my glasses. No injuries except my pride, but it did take some hours to clean up. I wouldn't do it in a thermos, bu…

It was bramble beer for me. Put a load of lovely ripe brambles in a batch of homebrew beer, one of the little pithy bits on the inside wedged up against the bottom of the airlock, and overnight the pressure built up enough to pop the cork out and spray the ceiling with brambly splats and beer.

Tasted okay though.

My mate brewed his bramble beer by putting his brambles through a juicer and only adding the juice and pulp, because he's cleverer than me and has a certain amount of foresight.

Re: Over 8M Thermos jars and bottles recalled after 3 people lost vision

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Well for one, so it doesn’t get recalled after getting a reputation for making people blind

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From the Consumer Product Safety Commission https://bsky.app/profile/cpsc.gov/post/3mkpsy7mgkk2j

"Is this user error?"

No. If we're recalling a product for a safety issue, it is not user error. There is an engineering error, or a design error, or a manufacturing error. Whatever the product is doing it should not be doing.

Re: Over 8M Thermos jars and bottles recalled after 3 people lost vision

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> Why is there an expectation that it should be a required feature? What point are you trying to make here ?!?! Given that it should be there, it is quite clearly a product feature on Thermos jars. So, of many examples that cross my mind.... let's say you were a long-term user of Thermos products. There's your "expectation". I assume it probably features in the product literature that comes in the box too.

> Given that it should be there I've never seen a thermos-style container with a pressure relief in my life. However, I'm European, it appears that in the US (a country where you have to write disclaimers on microwaves that you shouldn't dry hamsters in them) common sense has been going down the toilet. Frankly, I'm all for a bit of darwinism here. It's bewildering that there are people who think it's a good idea to…

Most lids you've ever used have pressure relief. It's not an extra part or valve or anything, it's just the simple geometry to ensure that the seal opens before the lid becomes mechanically free.

Re: Over 8M Thermos jars and bottles recalled after 3 people lost vision

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> Why is there an expectation that it should be a required feature? What point are you trying to make here ?!?! Given that it should be there, it is quite clearly a product feature on Thermos jars. So, of many examples that cross my mind.... let's say you were a long-term user of Thermos products. There's your "expectation". I assume it probably features in the product literature that comes in the box too.

> Given that it should be there I've never seen a thermos-style container with a pressure relief in my life. However, I'm European, it appears that in the US (a country where you have to write disclaimers on microwaves that you shouldn't dry hamsters in them) common sense has been going down the toilet. Frankly, I'm all for a bit of darwinism here. It's bewildering that there are people who think it's a good idea to…

One word for you .... context.

I said "given it should be there" because Thermos have just issued a recall notice where they openly admit liability and they openly state it should be there (see side by side photos in the recall).

I was never seeking to pass judgement on the factual element of whether "it should be there" in the pure definition of the term.

I was just saying "it should be there on THAT product because Thermos says so".

Re: Over 8M Thermos jars and bottles recalled after 3 people lost vision

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Initially assumed it was due to some sort of contamination or production defect. Turns out people leave perishable and fermenting foods in the thermos, and after a while when opened, the pressure lifts the lid of the thermos at quasi-unimaginable speeds, striking the curiously unsuspecting humans straight in the face, with some instances causing permanent damage to vision. Coffee is hot, but a pressure release system…

I really hope we get a video out of this to see how bad it actually is and how much "pressure" is needed for this.

> Incidents/Injuries: Thermos has received 27 reports of consumers who were struck by a stopper that forcefully ejected from these containers upon opening, including complaints of impact and laceration injuries requiring medical attention. Three consumers suffered permanent vision loss after being struck in the eye.

That's an awefully large amount of reports about this. I wonder what about the design makes it a rocket compared to what I would assume is a pretty standard design?

> The Stainless King™ 470ml Vacuum Insulated Food Jar is the ultimate day to day companion to keep your food at optimal temperatures. Keep fruit fresh and vegetables cool for up to 14 hours while you take on the day. For your favourite soups, pastas or stir fry, they’ll stay warm for up to 9 hours – ideal for taking last nights left overs. You can be sure that your food will be perfect for consumption at lunchtime after you pack it in the morning. The wide mouth makes it easy to fill and clean, and comes crowned with a stainless steel lid that doubles as a serving bowl. Plus, it comes with a handy stainless steel spoon that fits neatly into the lid compartment.

It's meant for storing food, for anyone who is confused why someone would be.

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