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Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.

Tesla FSD won't be level 5 until Tesla has liability for any crashes it causes the way Waymo does.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

#22

From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.

When full liability is put on the manufacturer, then we can talk about "cars driving themselves".

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

#23
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that logic it’s ok if the car slams itself against a concrete wall - just because it failed to stop in time doesn’t mean it wasn’t driving itself. Self driving cars are supposed to obey the same rules as human drivers.

Tesla FSD is vulnerable to RoadRunner and Wile E. Coyote style tricks.

Fortunately the ACME products are flawed and subject to their own litigation, see e.g. Coyote vs. ACME (2026).

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

#24

The "Full" in "Full Self Driving" was one of the giveaways. It's like packaged food labeled with "Real" ("Real cheese" etc)

Not sure I agree with your second sentence, at least in the US. I may see "cheese product" or "dairy product" or "cheese flavor" but if it says real cheese, it's real cheese. My favorite example was seeing "onion (then in tiny text 'flavored') rings"

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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post #24

The "Full" in "Full Self Driving" was one of the giveaways. It's like packaged food labeled with "Real" ("Real cheese" etc)

Not sure I agree with your second sentence, at least in the US. I may see "cheese product" or "dairy product" or "cheese flavor" but if it says real cheese, it's real cheese. My favorite example was seeing "onion (then in tiny text 'flavored') rings"

The point is that if you have to say it's made with real cheese, the food is complete junk. Even though the cheese may technically be real.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

#27
I recovered ~$250,000 under beverly song act (California lemon law). (My principal and interest back for multiple vehicles)

I repeatedly complained it was activating “emergency lane departure” while driving manually, even after disabling the setting. This had the effect of the vehicles swerving towards cross walks or walls.

Clearly a software issue but they played dumb and forced me to book service visits and refused to provide loaners.

Each time they returned the vehicle(s) with a short resolution of “expected characteristic”.

I read my purchase agreement, emailed them, and simply stated they are obliged to buy back my fleet given its a hazard to public safety. They obliged without discussion.

There were also other persistent issues with the vehicle beyond the software but i suspect the software put them into a double bind where if they “fix” it they create more liability via accidental disengagements.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

#28

I recovered ~$250,000 under beverly song act (California lemon law). (My principal and interest back for multiple vehicles) I repeatedly complained it was activating “emergency lane departure” while driving manually, even after disabling the setting. This had the effect of the vehicles swerving towards cross walks or walls. Clearly a software issue but they played dumb and forced me to book service visits and refused…

I’ve had this type of issue on multiple European car brands. Software issues with driver assistance features, which they keep ignoring. Things like sudden unexplained braking, not showing down due to cars stopped ahead, swerving randomly... I accepted it because getting them to cover anything, even physical things, even under warranty. They just come up with self serving guidelines and excuses.

Glad you had success. Did it require lawyers?

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

#30
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Yeah, so they won't be giving the Bank of America any more trouble, capisce? " -- Bank of America

BoA having roots in the Bank of Italy makes this even funnier.

Actually it does not have roots in Bank of Italy.

In 2000, NationsBank in Charlotte bought Bank of America. They used the BofA name, but the NB people ran things. Hugh McColl had been the CEO of NB for years, and he was CEO of BofA for a year. The next CEO, Ken Lewis, was also from NB. I worked for BofA in Chicago from 2001 to 2009. I talked to people in Charlotte all the time. I almost never talked to people in California.

Now that I think about it, I dealt with people in a lot of regions of the US, but almost nobody on the West Coast.

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