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Music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks (2023)

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Re: Music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks (2023)

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I used to be a professional musician, and I can't work if there is any music playing the the background. It drove my ex-wife nuts because she could not stand the silence. We ended up playing background sounds from coffee shops, which worked for both of us.

But recently there is one big exception!

I can listen to AI-generated instrumental jazz or blues in the background, and it does not distract me after the first few seconds. I think it's because the music doesn't go anywhere. It's just kind of noodling.

As a musician, I feel kind of bad listening to AI music, but it is amazing in this use case.

Re: Music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks (2023)

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As a musician (piano), I've never been able to listen to music while working: it's too distracting, even without lyrics. That makes sense to me because for musicians, hearing just the music still makes your brain want to focus on the structure of it, time signature, rhythm patterns, interesting chords, key changes, etc. - things that a non-musician isn't so intellectually aware of, even if they like them in the music…

>That makes sense to me because for musicians, hearing just the music still makes your brain want to focus on the structure of it, time signature, rhythm patterns, interesting chords, key changes, etc

There's special music for focus that tries to keep all those to a minimum. 4/4 beats, no fancy rhythms, no changes, basic chords and repeating melodies etc. After a while, even if you're Mozart, you can ignore it just fine, just get the vibe and the driving pulse.

Re: Music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks (2023)

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I used to work for a guy years ago who ran record labels that released almost entirely ambient electronic music and eventually I figured that it was because he was also a business terminator and workaholic alongside, and any music with too much going on like vocals or complexity would have distracted his concentration away from the important task of getting it sold and out of the door. So a whole swathe of music buye…

Yeah, no. There's no shortage of ambient electronic music labels, and it's not because CEOs need to use their music to concentrate to their business and marketing.

Not to mention there's no end to cutthroat very marketing and business oriented music execs selling vocal music.

Re: Music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks (2023)

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I am (ostensibly high functioning) ADHD (for creative definitions of “functioning” and “high”.) The more distracting the music, the better I can focus.

Lords of Acid for the win! At 12. My speakers go to 12.

Anything less wouldn’t be anything at all, would it?

Re: Music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks (2023)

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I used to work for a guy years ago who ran record labels that released almost entirely ambient electronic music and eventually I figured that it was because he was also a business terminator and workaholic alongside, and any music with too much going on like vocals or complexity would have distracted his concentration away from the important task of getting it sold and out of the door. So a whole swathe of music buye…

Yeah, no. There's no shortage of ambient electronic music labels, and it's not because CEOs need to use their music to concentrate to their business and marketing. Not to mention there's no end to cutthroat very marketing and business oriented music execs selling vocal music.

Well I’m expressing my years of direct experience working for the guy and you’re contradicting that even though you weren’t there. No idea why.

Re: Music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks (2023)

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As a musician (piano), I've never been able to listen to music while working: it's too distracting, even without lyrics. That makes sense to me because for musicians, hearing just the music still makes your brain want to focus on the structure of it, time signature, rhythm patterns, interesting chords, key changes, etc. - things that a non-musician isn't so intellectually aware of, even if they like them in the music…

I‘m also a musician and I can only listen to ambient music when working. Anything else is a big distraction.

Re: Music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, no. There's no shortage of ambient electronic music labels, and it's not because CEOs need to use their music to concentrate to their business and marketing. Not to mention there's no end to cutthroat very marketing and business oriented music execs selling vocal music.

Well I’m expressing my years of direct experience working for the guy and you’re contradicting that even though you weren’t there. No idea why.

Here's an idea why: because you presented an implausible conjecture, that he only sold ambient music because it was the right soundtrack to him making business dealings for selling music, lest he be distracted by other types of music.

Unless the direct experience involves him telling you straight out "I only sell ambient because it's the only thing I can listen to when making marketing moves", it's mind-reading.

Not to mention, that even if that was said, it would most likely still be in jest.

Sorry, personal experience doesn't cover everything, nor does it trump collective experience and common sense.

Re: Music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I’m expressing my years of direct experience working for the guy and you’re contradicting that even though you weren’t there. No idea why.

Here's an idea why: because you presented an implausible conjecture, that he only sold ambient music because it was the right soundtrack to him making business dealings for selling music, lest he be distracted by other types of music. Unless the direct experience involves him telling you straight out "I only sell ambient because it's the only thing I can listen to when making marketing moves", it's mind-reading. Not…

You lost me at conjecture. It was empirical research.

He also wouldn’t have said that because he wouldn’t have wanted to admit it or admit to rejecting anything with vocals. And for example, we sold free jazz (amongst other things) alongside but it was never played in the office because it’s too distracting.

“There's no shortage of ambient electronic music labels, and it's not because CEOs need to use their music to concentrate to their business and marketing” - this general case of the existence of other ambient labels where the owners aren’t selling ambient music so they can focus on marketing doesn’t negate the verisimilitude of my specific case, or of my specific experience which you don’t have access to.

Yet you’re saying I’m not only incorrect so deliberately peddling falsehoods, my years of observation within the music industry and eventual conclusion is wholly wrong, and furthermore, you’re saying this in a thread about a paper which proposes that “music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks”, an example of which I am affirming.

Keep on with your hubris if you must though:

Re: Music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks (2023)

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Try to listen to music in language you don't understand. The effects of having lyrics don't appear unless you focus on them to repeat the memory of song. Of course instrumentals are better, but lyrics lift the mood by virtue of having some "virtual social context" simulation.

Re: Music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's an idea why: because you presented an implausible conjecture, that he only sold ambient music because it was the right soundtrack to him making business dealings for selling music, lest he be distracted by other types of music. Unless the direct experience involves him telling you straight out "I only sell ambient because it's the only thing I can listen to when making marketing moves", it's mind-reading. Not…

You lost me at conjecture. It was empirical research. He also wouldn’t have said that because he wouldn’t have wanted to admit it or admit to rejecting anything with vocals. And for example, we sold free jazz (amongst other things) alongside but it was never played in the office because it’s too distracting. “There's no shortage of ambient electronic music labels, and it's not because CEOs need to use their music to…

>You lost me at conjecture. It was empirical research. He also wouldn’t have said that because he wouldn’t have wanted to admit it

Yes, aka, mind-reading. Aka conjecture.

>* and furthermore, you’re saying this in a thread about a paper which proposes that “music with lyrics interferes with cognitive tasks”, an example of which I am affirming.*

Which is irrelevant. Nobody argued that music with lyrics doesn't interfere with cognitive tasks. Or that your label boss didn't prefer ambient while working, because he felt it didn't interfere with his cognitive tasks.

What I disagreed with was the mind-reading part:

"we released almost entirely ambient electronic music and eventually I figured that it was because he was also a business terminator and workaholic alongside, and any music with too much going on like vocals or complexity would have distracted his concentration away from the important task of getting it sold and out of the door. So a whole swathe of music buyers were convinced that this cutting edge music was hip and where the avant garde was happening when in reality it was mostly so he could concentrate on marketing to them. Any music out of that limited remit was rejected because he could listen and think about other things at the same time if the music was minimal and free of lyrics".

The Occam's razor explanation is that there's no big conspiracy: he had a label focusing on instrumental music (like countless others), and he happened to prefer one specific genre (ambient music) while working for focus. Doesn't mean he didn't also liked it artistically, or that he duped people selling it as art, while he only cared for it as focus music.

Maybe you just don't like ambient, and you made up the whole thing (which "he wouldn't admit" anyway), because you couldn't fathom somebody genuinely liking that genre artistically AND also preferring it as focus music, as opposed to merely advocating it as focus music.

Especially as you now added the little detail that he also sold other genres:

"we sold free jazz (amongst other things) alongside but it was never played in the office because it’s too distracting"

So, he sold other styles too. The only factual observation is that we prefered ambient music himself to focus while working. Not that he solely sold ambient because it was the only thing he could listen at at the office.

Sorry, the idea that he sold ambient only because it was all he could listen to while working, and duping buyers that thought it was hip and artistic choice while he only appreciated for focus purposes, still sounds bogus.

And that he sold other styles too, even though he didn't listen to them as focus music, already negates the "any music out of that limited remit was rejected because he could listen and think about other things at the same time if the music was minimal and free of lyrics".

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