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The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by School-Cotton »

SkyeCA wrote: post #17
School-Cotton wrote: post #11

I don’t understand why people act like we just have to submit to the AI revolution. We can make this technology illegal, and shut it down completely. Why don’t we?

You can make AI/LLMs illegal, but other countries won't. There's a real risk as a country you fall behind economically if you ban what turns out to be the next big tech revolution.

Okay. Let China become more technologically advanced than us. I don’t care. Chinese tech companies being able to write software 20% faster than us is a less bitter pill to swallow than having to live in our current LLM world.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by School-Cotton »

Steve16384 wrote: post #16
School-Cotton wrote: post #11

I don’t understand why people act like we just have to submit to the AI revolution. We can make this technology illegal, and shut it down completely. Why don’t we?

Because lots of people, businesses and governments don't want to.

My impression is that The majority of people do want to.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by alephnerd »

jdw64 wrote: post #2

The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well. But AI is actually not very good at replacing an entire lower-level worker’s job as a whole. It works well only when that work is broken down into smaller and smaller tasks. The core problem is this: the coercive force of AI use…

> The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes

This is why the harshest critics of AI tend to be white collar workers of this social class. The same kinds that told coal miners and autoworkers to "learn to code" and called them deplorables for voting nativist in 2016.

Any chance to build mutual trust was squandered. The jobs worst impacted by AI are jobs where most of the workers are Democrats and live in blue states that don't swing.

Meanwhile, those manufacturing, construction, and healthcare jobs that are becoming a bigger part of the economy tend to be in the purple part of the country so their needs are heard.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by AlexeyBrin »

School-Cotton wrote: post #11

I don’t understand why people act like we just have to submit to the AI revolution. We can make this technology illegal, and shut it down completely. Why don’t we?

> I don’t understand why people act like we just have to submit to the AI revolution.

Some people are genuinely interested and excited about this new technology. Other people have an interest that the AI will succeed. At least on the surface it seems that these two groups are louder (or more successful) than the ones that oppose AI.

> We can make this technology illegal, and shut it down completely. Why don’t we?

Because there are not many (if any) lobby groups that pour money into making it illegal and also because of fear of not being left behind. There are also plenty of lobby groups that invest a lot of money into putting AI into everything.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by vlod »

Insanity wrote: post #12

Paywalled so I can't read the article. However, is this exclusive to young people? I'm a millenial (early 90s) and I share their sentiment. I might not share it for the same reason though. Personally, I'm concerned about what AI usage would do to my cognitive ability, and as such I try to limit my use. I can't avoid using it at work (we're being tracked on "AI Adoption") and it does genuinely speed up some of my task…

https://archive.is/F3T8k

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by burnte »

isoprophlex wrote: post #20
anianz wrote: post #13

> Freystaetter and Gottlieb both say that instead of their own generation, they are more worried about Gen Alpha and other young people that come after them, who lose their chance to develop healthy relationships with technologies when they become mandatory and ubiquitous. I remember similar concerns from Millennials about Gen-Z with the Internet and social media. In the end the Internet and Social Media Gen-Z grew u…

I have three (gen A) kids, of which two are of the age to have opinions on this. They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right). If I try to spin them a bullshit story, they tell me how can that be true and maybe I got brainwashed by AI. Also they hate ads with a passion. If anything, I…

> They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right).

For most of computing history this has been the case, too!

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by r_lee »

School-Cotton wrote: post #11

I don’t understand why people act like we just have to submit to the AI revolution. We can make this technology illegal, and shut it down completely. Why don’t we?

then you're just thinking in a very naive way.

you'd need everybody to be onboard, be it your neighbor, the guy 8000 miles away from you on the other side of the planet, all the nations

if even one goes "well ill just keep going" it won't work.

it's like with nuclear weapons, nobody wants to be the one without them unless nobody else has them, so in the end they're still prevalent.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

isoprophlex wrote: post #20
anianz wrote: post #13

> Freystaetter and Gottlieb both say that instead of their own generation, they are more worried about Gen Alpha and other young people that come after them, who lose their chance to develop healthy relationships with technologies when they become mandatory and ubiquitous. I remember similar concerns from Millennials about Gen-Z with the Internet and social media. In the end the Internet and Social Media Gen-Z grew u…

I have three (gen A) kids, of which two are of the age to have opinions on this. They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right). If I try to spin them a bullshit story, they tell me how can that be true and maybe I got brainwashed by AI. Also they hate ads with a passion. If anything, I…

Yes, well, my youngest (15) tells me all the same things, while simultaneously constantly asking Gemini to help them write code for their game they're building in RPG Maker.

They'll see.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by trvz »

hilariously wrote: post #10
ericst wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly it is not even that clear. Local models are quite efficient as well.

Yes, it is clear - for every compute unit you have that's more efficient and effective I have 10,000,000,000 compute units. I can use the same models that you do. How would you win?

Use them for what? This is a case where what you do with your stuff matters more than its size.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by techno303 »

alephnerd wrote: post #23
jdw64 wrote: post #2

The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well. But AI is actually not very good at replacing an entire lower-level worker’s job as a whole. It works well only when that work is broken down into smaller and smaller tasks. The core problem is this: the coercive force of AI use…

> The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes This is why the harshest critics of AI tend to be white collar workers of this social class. The same kinds that told coal miners and autoworkers to "learn to code" and called them deplorables for voting nativist in 2016. Any chance to build mutual trust was squandered. The jobs worst impacted by AI are jobs where most of the workers are Democr…

gonna push back on this

i don't see a relationship betwern criticism and the chance of automation/replacement

the harshest critics that i see tend to be, almost ubiquitously, creatives

perhaps just my walk of life

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