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Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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> Browsers and operating systems are increasingly expected to gain access to language models.[0] Are they? [0] https://github.com/webmachinelearning/prompt-api/blob/main/R...

Those exact words are the positioning statement (start the second paragraph) of the document you linked.

What are you trying to say?

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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post #14
post #5

I wonder if it makes sense for browser vendors to agree upon and ship various ‘standard models’ that are released into the public domain or something, and the API lets you pick between them. The models themselves would be standardized and the weights and everything should be identical between browsers. They’d be standard and ‘web-safe’ like CSS colors or fonts. Probably would help to give them really boring/unbranded…

It doesn't make sense at all. So as a user how do you choose which model to use? There could be 3824 models to choose from. The browser might as well set one as default, and we all know how that goes (see: search engine). Not to mention many other UX questions the come with this, most importantly, how unusable these local models are on regular 3-year old laptops that are constrained in RAM, GPU/CPU capability and lik…

> It doesn't make sense at all. So as a user how do you choose which model to use? There could be 3824 models to choose from. The browser might as well set one as default, and we all know how that goes (see: search engine).

...what's the exact problem here? Believe it or not, most non-tech-savvy users use the search engine just fine.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

#23
post #21
post #7

> Browsers and operating systems are increasingly expected to gain access to language models.[0] Are they? [0] https://github.com/webmachinelearning/prompt-api/blob/main/R...

Those exact words are the positioning statement (start the second paragraph) of the document you linked. What are you trying to say?

> What are you trying to say?

GP is clearly asking ”Are they?”

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

#25

> This will result in Mozilla and Apple having to licence Google's model, or ship a model that's quirks-compatible with the Google model in order to be interoperable. It may also become difficult for Chrome to update its own model for the same reasons. Google is again doing Evil. I am very annoyed that Google kind of de-facto controls the www (through chrome, let's be honest here). We really need to change this. I do…

> We really need to change this. I don't have a good solution here, but it can not continue that way.

Advocacy (against chromium and its forks) is one way.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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When I posted this, I linked to the latest statement https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#i..., which is the content relevant to the title (the details of our opposition to the API). Unfortunately someone removed the link to the specific post.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

#27

Extremely glad to see Mozilla taking a stance here.

28th of april 2025, isn't this before mozilla added lots of AI feature in their browser?

Sigh, when I posted this, I linked to https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#i... (which was posted 11 hours ago). Unfortunately someone changed the link.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

#28

Extremely glad to see Mozilla taking a stance here.

28th of april 2025, isn't this before mozilla added lots of AI feature in their browser?

This is the specific position posted today/yesterday: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#i...

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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post #21
post #7

> Browsers and operating systems are increasingly expected to gain access to language models.[0] Are they? [0] https://github.com/webmachinelearning/prompt-api/blob/main/R...

Those exact words are the positioning statement (start the second paragraph) of the document you linked. What are you trying to say?

Their whole argument is based on this sentence. So I'd expect some rationale. Instead, they provide as "example" links to Google, Microsoft and Apple. The funny thing is that the one by MS is probably the most criticized one, with the company partly backpedaling on it. And Apple is often criticized by LLM aficionados for being quite conservative. Google is the one proposing it.

So my question is: are browsers and operating systems really expected to gain access to language models? If so - by whom: the users or LLM vendors like Google?

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

#30
post #7

> Browsers and operating systems are increasingly expected to gain access to language models.[0] Are they? [0] https://github.com/webmachinelearning/prompt-api/blob/main/R...

Browsers: Chrome (proposed this Prompt API) Operating Systems: Windows (built-in Copilot), MacOS, iOS (Apple Intelligence) So it's >90% desktop browser and OS, plus >30% mobile OS. Yes, I think it's very safe to say "browsers and operating systems are increasingly expected to gain access to language models."

The word "expected" is a weasel word in this context, especially given how muck backlash MS has received. I'd expect a link to a study where users say: "I'd like to have an LLM integrated with my operating system and my browser" and how it changes over time. Then you can seriously argue for "increasingly expected".
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