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Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

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Re: Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

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Post by bitpush »

SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #18
upmind wrote: post #13

Apple has really dropped the ball recently, as someone who was a die-hard apple fan 10 years ago now I've started moving off the ecosystem.

This product was incredibly ambitious but the real miss was the market fit for what they were targeting. They still continue to make the highest quality consumer hardware on the market, by far. My macbooks and phones are expected to last (and have lasted) nearly a decade and for that reason alone it’s worth staying in the ecosystem for me.

> This product was incredibly ambitious but the real miss was the market fit for what they were targeting.

Why is it that Apple gets 'participation' brownie points? When a movie flops, we dont go like 'The project was incredibly ambitious, but the market fit was bad' - We just say that 'it is a bad movie because nobody watched / liked it'.

Re: Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

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Post by jurmous »

m4rtink wrote: post #17

Did they ever got some controllers for it ? Not sure how useful would it be without them if you need to move in VR environment like VRChat & don't have a warehouse as you play space.

It works with third party controllers. Both the classic console ones as more VR styled ones.

Example: https://www.surreal-interactive.com/

Re: Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

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Post by hannahstrawbrry »

A lot of comments on this talking about how an AR/VR product would never make it but I think a lot of people fail to understand just how badly Apple failed to meet existing VR/AR developers where they are. Apple told us all to learn Swift and port our projects or pay thousands of dollars in Unity licensing costs to ship our existing projects to the new platform. Was incredibly heartbreaking to realize I simply can't afford the fees to put my XR projects in the App Store despite having iOS & XR experience and already being part of the developer program.

Re: Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

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Post by netruk44 »

bitpush wrote: post #19
dagmx wrote: post #6

This article is an opinion piece. It doesn’t have any substantive claims, even from insiders that this is the case. It’s most credible claim is that people are moving about to new projects which is not irregular in the least.

It matches my lived experience. None of my friends use AVP. It is gathering dust. Do you have data on the contrary that AVP is growing gangbusters (like say, Macbook Neo?)

The argument is "there is no significant evidence to support the claim that Apple has given up on the Vision Pro".

I don't think anybody is arguing that it's selling amazingly well or is a growing market.

And I agree with the argument. It seems a little premature to make this claim now, so close to WWDC.

If WWDC comes and goes with no major announcement for the future of visionOS or the Vision Pro, that would be a significant indicator of Apple having given up.

Re: Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

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Post by alsetmusic »

rbd765 wrote: post #11

The AVP is an incredible device, but it's too restrictive and the 3D spectacle doesn't offset the myriad of issues that I've run into: - If I want to watch movies, I'll typically do so with my wife, on my 4K smart TV. The AVP is not a shared experience unless you purchase an additional unit. - The virtual display can't be used with arbitrary devices (e.g. PS5, PC, Raspberry PI) via direct HDMI, only over network stre…

> The AVP is an incredible device

It's one of the most impressive feats of engineering that I've interacted with and yet mine sits in a drawer. If they'd produced ongoing immersive content, I'd keep watching it. I especially loved the dinosaur experiences. Oh well…

Re: Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

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Post by testaburger »

alsetmusic wrote: post #26
rbd765 wrote: post #11

The AVP is an incredible device, but it's too restrictive and the 3D spectacle doesn't offset the myriad of issues that I've run into: - If I want to watch movies, I'll typically do so with my wife, on my 4K smart TV. The AVP is not a shared experience unless you purchase an additional unit. - The virtual display can't be used with arbitrary devices (e.g. PS5, PC, Raspberry PI) via direct HDMI, only over network stre…

> The AVP is an incredible device It's one of the most impressive feats of engineering that I've interacted with and yet mine sits in a drawer. If they'd produced ongoing immersive content, I'd keep watching it. I especially loved the dinosaur experiences. Oh well…

sounds like a missed opportunity by apple to partner with the las vegas sphere folks for content.

Re: Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

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Post by bdangubic »

To me the most amazing things about AVP are things that I would enjoy socially and not alone with goggles on. I compared it to:

- The most amazing movie theatre experience in the world - but you have to go there alone

- The most amazing arcade you have ever seen - but you have to go there alone

- The most amazing restaurant in the world - but you have to dine alone

- ...

It is like everything that is great about it is (for me at least), is 100% social thing which I cannot enjoy alone with the goggles on.

Re: Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

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Post by scyzoryk_xyz »

hannahstrawbrry wrote: post #23

A lot of comments on this talking about how an AR/VR product would never make it but I think a lot of people fail to understand just how badly Apple failed to meet existing VR/AR developers where they are. Apple told us all to learn Swift and port our projects or pay thousands of dollars in Unity licensing costs to ship our existing projects to the new platform. Was incredibly heartbreaking to realize I simply can't…

This.

We're 2 years into it and one would expect they'd incentivize the hell out of making sure this niche device has all the gates wide open. You can't have a walled garden if it's just wall.

Where are all the fascinating weird experimental trippy spatial computing concepts that we were supposed to see emerge. Where are the drone interfaces, the medical simulation applications, the training paradigms. New forms of entertainment, I mean least they could do is ensure that one awesome AAA game Half-Life Alyx had been ported over for this thing.

Re: Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop

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Post by spacechild1 »

bitpush wrote: post #21
SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This product was incredibly ambitious but the real miss was the market fit for what they were targeting. They still continue to make the highest quality consumer hardware on the market, by far. My macbooks and phones are expected to last (and have lasted) nearly a decade and for that reason alone it’s worth staying in the ecosystem for me.

> This product was incredibly ambitious but the real miss was the market fit for what they were targeting. Why is it that Apple gets 'participation' brownie points? When a movie flops, we dont go like 'The project was incredibly ambitious, but the market fit was bad' - We just say that 'it is a bad movie because nobody watched / liked it'.

Huh? Just because a movie flops at the box office doesn't necesssarily mean it's bad. There a plenty of examples of movie flops that later became cult classics.
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