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Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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I am not arguing against the facts expressed in the piece. This is not an area in which I have any expertise. However, I am a bit uncomfortable with the pithy language used. It's possible (likely, even), that the fired editors deserve the pithiness, but it's still a bit weird to read that kind of prose, in a scientific context.

Well...the reactions were ... enlightening

I certainly apologize for hurting feelings. That was not my intent.

I've just learned (the hard way, of course, because how else do we learn?), that using this kind of terminology, even though we may be feeling quite pithy, gives ammo to those that wish to discount us.

This goes double, in my experience, for any context that prizes objectivity and articulate discussion.

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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What troubling language and slurs are you referring to exactly? I didn't see anything "troubling" (let alone "extremely troubling") or anything that would indicate that anyone other than the implicated authors have an integrity issue.

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I don't any signs that it's a bot, or that the comment was LLM generated. It's pretty safe to assume they made an alt to make that comment, as they didn't want to take a negative opinion towards a conservative author on their main. i.e. trying to avoid controversy.

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Yup. You got me. Pleased to meet you. Hope you guess my name.

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Unlikely, but wouldn't surprise me if ChatGPT sounds a bit like ChrisMarshallNY given the amount of comments they've made here over the years :)

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Is it just me or this makes me feel less guilty for using libgen all these years

Information for non-commercial purposes should be free for general social enrichment. Information for commercial purposes should have some path towards monetization but the one we've got right now is clearly a terrible fit.

For the future, though, usually if you just email one of the paper author's with even a hint of interest you'll get the full paper and often a neat discussion about how your specific interest relates to the paper. I think people assume researchers get hounded by fans like celebrities but they're usually folks that love to talk about their topics of interest.

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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There are few things I’m afraid of more than a man that thinks himself righteous, because there is very little that such a man would be unwilling to do. So it makes sense to be cautious when I find myself feeling like one, or being pulled along by the emotions of another who does.

You're not wrong about the danger posed, but take a step back and consider who this attitude helps. The greatest beneficiaries of a culture in which good faith and civility are unconditionally granted for fear of misguided righteous anger is a paradise for fraudsters and bad faith actors. I think we're seeing that world now.

Spot on. Leaders in my company love to tout the line "assume good faith". If you say anything that indicates someone else is not operating in good faith, you are deemed the bad actor. This allows bad actors to run absolutely rampant.

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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I don't any signs that it's a bot, or that the comment was LLM generated. It's pretty safe to assume they made an alt to make that comment, as they didn't want to take a negative opinion towards a conservative author on their main. i.e. trying to avoid controversy.

This website is slightly to the right of reddit these days; what exactly would expressing a negative opinion about a conservative blogger do to their main account?

My suspicion was some affiliation with a current or future implicated individual.

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Unlikely, but wouldn't surprise me if ChatGPT sounds a bit like ChrisMarshallNY given the amount of comments they've made here over the years :)

That deserves a +1. I trend prolix.
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