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10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

afavour wrote: post #6

Both impressive and surprising that thermals were the biggest barrier! Meanwhile I'm sat here wishing I could justify running any ethernet in my apartment, but improving wi-fi tech means I never can...

I wonder what the idle vs at load difference is for power draw/heat. Would really love to see this feature in reviews some!

I wonder if you could negotiate down to 1gbit until you see some level of activity, if that would help at all?

I'm still eyeing 10Gb, but if my home needs +30w for three computers, I don't feel like it's really worth it. Would love to see more details on the power consumption from folks, especially tuning for idle.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by bot403 »

cyberax wrote: post #19

The Mikrotik switch is awesome, and it's still the most compact 10G switch available. You can fix the thermal issue either by adding a small fan (Noctua is great) or by adding more radiators: https://pics.ealex.net/share/UxeSf_AWHLIuc-qzK5zl7JIgQvQDAZh... I've been running it like this in a closed comm box for the last 3 years without any issues. SFP+ modules actually do not use that much power, it's just that it's c…

Cripes. When possible just do fiber and DACs. Faster and much cooler than 10Gbit. 10Gbit uses an absurd amount of power per port thus the need for all that cooling.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

mlyle wrote: post #18
afavour wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote the previous post: > I've yet to come up against a download (even a torrent) that seems like it would have really benefitted from having the entire theoretical 1.5 pipe available. There are many things along the way that would get in the way of a home user downloading something from the internet that would hit that 5GB/s speed. It's not that people should be "banned" from it or something, more that the inves…

We have a 5gbps pipe; routinely download games from Steam at >3gbps; when I had to reinitialize my cloud backup it was >4gbps. All of this without impacting anyone else on the pipe. Yah, our P95 bandwidth is just a few megabits per second. But it's not that expensive and routinely saves me a few minutes here and there. 10gbps on the LAN is more broadly useful. Pegging it for a file share is a daily occurrence.

Also storage has gotten super expensive lately, and rather than upgrading my machines/consoles I've been offloading games and downloading them as needed and now am routinely downloading dozens of GB just to play a game.

My gaming time is limited so the faster the better.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by rhplus »

wpm wrote: post #10
rhplus wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10Gbps is enough bandwidth for 500 concurrent Netflix streams in 4K/UHD (15Mbps) AND 500 concurrent video calls (4Mbps). Home users don’t need more bandwidth to improve their internet experiences, they need lower latency, less congestion and less loss. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/prepare-net...

Home users only do video calls and watch Netflix? More and more regular people are getting network storage appliances. More and more people have laptops with SSDs that can write at 4 or 5 GB/s. Why shouldn't they get to use all of it?

I should have said most home users. My point is that more bandwidth at this point probably won’t affect 99.999% of home users.

What’s described in the post is the tech equivalent of supe-ing up a sports car and then driving it in rush hour traffic. It’s fun to geek out doing it, but practically in everyday use the difference will be negligible. Even with large file uploads and downloads, there’s a good chance that services won’t reach those throughputs end to end.

What’s telling is that the post shows screenshots and charts from artificial speed tests. No videos of the Dropbox client chugging away with throttled uploads.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by xxpor »

Unfortunately the blog didn't link to the SFP+ module they're using, but everyone should know there's effectively 2 different generations of 10gbit sfp+ to ethernet^H10BASE-T modules. The old gen, labeled as 30 meters, draws ~3 W, and gets extremely hot (to the point it'll usually cause link flaps), and the newer gen, usually labeled as 100m or 80m, draws ~1.5 W, and runs much, much cooler.

Example of the new gen: https://www.amazon.com/Wiitek-Transceiver-Compatible-UF-RJ45...

Old gen: https://www.amazon.com/10Gtek-SFP-10G-T-S-Compatible-10GBase...

Typically the old gen uses a Marvell AQR113C, and the new gen uses a Broadcom chip that I forget the number of off hand.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by fmajid »

afavour wrote: post #11
wpm wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Home users only do video calls and watch Netflix? More and more regular people are getting network storage appliances. More and more people have laptops with SSDs that can write at 4 or 5 GB/s. Why shouldn't they get to use all of it?

To quote the previous post: > I've yet to come up against a download (even a torrent) that seems like it would have really benefitted from having the entire theoretical 1.5 pipe available. There are many things along the way that would get in the way of a home user downloading something from the internet that would hit that 5GB/s speed. It's not that people should be "banned" from it or something, more that the inves…

I regularly saturate my 1G home and 1G office connection syncing ~6GB files between the two. It's also nice to be able to download a 100G or so game quickly. Remote backups to cloud storage also benefit from fast upload speeds (and more importantly, restores).

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by [deleted] »

rhplus wrote: post #8
mikepurvis wrote: post #3

That's pretty wild. I have 1.5/900 fibre to my house, and I bring a 2.5 line from the modem to my home office where a 2.5 switch delivers it to my workstation, laptop, and unraid NAS. But those devices are all themselves just gigE I think, and I've yet to come up against a download (even a torrent) that seems like it would have really benefitted from having the entire theoretical 1.5 pipe available.

10Gbps is enough bandwidth for 500 concurrent Netflix streams in 4K/UHD (15Mbps) AND 500 concurrent video calls (4Mbps). Home users don’t need more bandwidth to improve their internet experiences, they need lower latency, less congestion and less loss. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/prepare-net...

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Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by CSSer »

xxpor wrote: post #26

Unfortunately the blog didn't link to the SFP+ module they're using, but everyone should know there's effectively 2 different generations of 10gbit sfp+ to ethernet^H10BASE-T modules. The old gen, labeled as 30 meters, draws ~3 W, and gets extremely hot (to the point it'll usually cause link flaps), and the newer gen, usually labeled as 100m or 80m, draws ~1.5 W, and runs much, much cooler. Example of the new gen: ht…

Wow, and at essentially the same price!

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by zamadatix »

mikepurvis wrote: post #3

That's pretty wild. I have 1.5/900 fibre to my house, and I bring a 2.5 line from the modem to my home office where a 2.5 switch delivers it to my workstation, laptop, and unraid NAS. But those devices are all themselves just gigE I think, and I've yet to come up against a download (even a torrent) that seems like it would have really benefitted from having the entire theoretical 1.5 pipe available.

I regularly hit 4.7 gbps on a 5 Gbps line pulling files (usenet is usually faster than torrent, but the latter can be equally as fast depending on the torrent & how good the client software is). It's great to just grab an entire movie series in 4k Blu Ray remux quality in 5 minutes and go. No real need to plan ahead for anything.
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