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Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by oever »

embedding-shape wrote: post #17
moi2388 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a fair characterisation. They can access the data, as their data protection officer warned about, it hereby falls under US law, they have to give data when requested, and can shut it down at any time.

None of those things make "The government still plans to place the authentication system of all Dutch citizens in USA hands" a fair characterization, it doesn't seem to be true by any measures, the government has no such plans, unless you can point me to some public session/document that shows that this is actually the plan?

Their plan is to do nothing to stop the transfer of the system to a USA company. By doing nothing, they are making this happen.

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by Bewelge »

Mashimo wrote: post #14

> https://code.overheid.nl/RegelRecht/regelrecht > Machine-readable Dutch law execution. regelrecht takes legal texts, encodes them as structured YAML, and runs them as deterministic decision logic. The engine takes a regulation and a set of inputs, evaluates the decision logic, and returns a result with a full explanation trail Can someone explain this to me? Not the technical aspect, but rather a user story or use…

https://regelrecht.rijks.app/

I think that's the project.

"Modern calculation engine as a building block for the entire government. In collaboration with the Benefits Service (Dienst Toeslagen). Can we develop a general calculation engine for the government? This project explores how such a system could help in executing complex regulations for citizens and businesses, for example, when calculating benefits."

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by starefossen »

embedding-shape wrote: post #7
ivolimmen wrote: post #3

I am Dutch and I am glad they finally started to do some open sourcing. I have worked at different governmental bodies and have been promoting open source for some time now. But as a simple 'added hands for hire' I never got any response to my pleas. I guess it's typical Dutch that we are one of the last to do so.

I am living in Spain, and from my point of view, Netherlands is one of the ones doing the most for FOSS in Europe today! It sees much faster real-world adoption of FOSS in ministries and municipalities than other countries, the government seems eager to fund FOSS (again, compared to other countries) and generally be welcoming to the ecosystem. Browsing around, there seems to be lots of FOSS projects funded by money c…

Norwegian Government has a couple of thousand open repos for their code https://norwegian-public-organizations.vercel.app/

Most notably the Labor and Welfare Administration with 3000+ open repos.

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by fenykep »

Mashimo wrote: post #14

> https://code.overheid.nl/RegelRecht/regelrecht > Machine-readable Dutch law execution. regelrecht takes legal texts, encodes them as structured YAML, and runs them as deterministic decision logic. The engine takes a regulation and a set of inputs, evaluates the decision logic, and returns a result with a full explanation trail Can someone explain this to me? Not the technical aspect, but rather a user story or use…

I read (with much hope in my heart) it as: all the combined rent laws say that the max rent in X district is 5€/mo/sqm but you can charge 20€ for windowcleaning services and 1€/mo/sqm extra if the flat has an ikea bedframe and a bathtub. You enter the parameters of your rental agreement and the magic box spits out wether your situation is legal or not, then you just have to press a button to sue your landlord.

Bringing the boring old legal system closer to smart contracts.

But I don't have a clue if this is really the case.

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by oever »

embedding-shape wrote: post #7
ivolimmen wrote: post #3

I am Dutch and I am glad they finally started to do some open sourcing. I have worked at different governmental bodies and have been promoting open source for some time now. But as a simple 'added hands for hire' I never got any response to my pleas. I guess it's typical Dutch that we are one of the last to do so.

I am living in Spain, and from my point of view, Netherlands is one of the ones doing the most for FOSS in Europe today! It sees much faster real-world adoption of FOSS in ministries and municipalities than other countries, the government seems eager to fund FOSS (again, compared to other countries) and generally be welcoming to the ecosystem. Browsing around, there seems to be lots of FOSS projects funded by money c…

This map shows that the Dutch municipalities are nearly all in the Microsoft cloud.

https://mxmap.nl/

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by embedding-shape »

oever wrote: post #21
embedding-shape wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of those things make "The government still plans to place the authentication system of all Dutch citizens in USA hands" a fair characterization, it doesn't seem to be true by any measures, the government has no such plans, unless you can point me to some public session/document that shows that this is actually the plan?

Their plan is to do nothing to stop the transfer of the system to a USA company. By doing nothing, they are making this happen.

> Their plan is to do nothing to stop the transfer of the system to a USA company

And you have concrete proof that this is indeed the plan, stated by the government as the official position, or this is based on your own extrapolation of rumors?

The amount of misinformation that any story related to any European country seems to pull in is crazy, seems to be something about the continent that makes some parts of HN feel blood in their mouth or something.

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