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Claude Pro: Opus model will only be available if extra usage is enabled

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Re: Claude Pro: Opus model will only be available if extra usage is enabled

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Post by spudlyo »

The messaging around what is and isn't allowed with the various Claude plans has been so very muddled as of late. Add to that declining model performance, changes to default reasoning efforts, expanded token usage, caching bugs, corporate denials and gaslighting -- I don't think it's overstating matters to say they've suffered some major self-inflected reputational damage.

As it stands now, there is so much FUD surrounding their offerings, I'm not sure what they could do in the short term to turn things around.

Re: Claude Pro: Opus model will only be available if extra usage is enabled

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Post by oefrha »

underyx wrote: post #8

> this is an outdated support article from before we had Opus in Pro plans, we rolled it out for Opus 4.5 in Jan and never updated, you can see in the wayback machine here: https://web.archive.org/web/20251204151142/https://support.c... > apologies for the confusion response from @thariq

I thought documentation is a solved problem and you can just have an agent keep all your docs up-to-date. /s

Re: Claude Pro: Opus model will only be available if extra usage is enabled

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Post by tipiirai »

6Az4Mj4D wrote: post #3

It's just matter of time that price become so high that Enterprise cannot afford these tools unless they self-host open models. Only problem is open models are coming from China and not many countries trust that to use inside companies. How will it play?

Many people trust China more than US

Re: Claude Pro: Opus model will only be available if extra usage is enabled

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Post by colechristensen »

spudlyo wrote: post #21

The messaging around what is and isn't allowed with the various Claude plans has been so very muddled as of late. Add to that declining model performance, changes to default reasoning efforts, expanded token usage, caching bugs, corporate denials and gaslighting -- I don't think it's overstating matters to say they've suffered some major self-inflected reputational damage. As it stands now, there is so much FUD surro…

It's just an organizational maturity thing.

They need to start shifting from "move fast and break things" to "move faster by slowing down". Their public communication, feature set, and organization as a whole needs to start matching the scale and level they're competing at. They won many hearts and minds by being better and are losing them by being chaotic. Different outcomes from the same internal behavior because they needed to change gears and haven't.

Re: Claude Pro: Opus model will only be available if extra usage is enabled

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Post by colechristensen »

ukuina wrote: post #5

Opus was consuming so much usage that it was basically unusable on anything but the Max plan.

It was even burning out much too fast on Max, but I found moving from xhigh -> high thinking got me equivalent quality with fewer tokiens.

Re: Claude Pro: Opus model will only be available if extra usage is enabled

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Post by ceroxylon »

Aboutplants wrote: post #7

Turns out when the bills start rolling in you need the revenue to pay them. Here comes the bumpy ride

i've been using the API for a portion of my work to prepare for this and test to see how much it will cost in the long term, turns out that was the short term.

it is rough, but it has taught me to treat every prompt and process with care since i watch the pennies and dollars burn instead of tokens, which is a good habit to get into anyway

Re: Claude Pro: Opus model will only be available if extra usage is enabled

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Post by still_grokking »

underyx wrote: post #8

> this is an outdated support article from before we had Opus in Pro plans, we rolled it out for Opus 4.5 in Jan and never updated, you can see in the wayback machine here: https://web.archive.org/web/20251204151142/https://support.c... > apologies for the confusion response from @thariq

Their vibe-coded "documentation" sucks so much…

Re: Claude Pro: Opus model will only be available if extra usage is enabled

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Post by still_grokking »

6Az4Mj4D wrote: post #3

It's just matter of time that price become so high that Enterprise cannot afford these tools unless they self-host open models. Only problem is open models are coming from China and not many countries trust that to use inside companies. How will it play?

Looks like the Chinese are, again, winning the long game.

There is simply nothing that could compete with their open models. At the same time more and more corps got "AI addicted", so they will either have to pay ridiculous amounts of money, or use the Chinese stuff.

Re: Claude Pro: Opus model will only be available if extra usage is enabled

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Post by Incipient »

oefrha wrote: post #22
underyx wrote: post #8

> this is an outdated support article from before we had Opus in Pro plans, we rolled it out for Opus 4.5 in Jan and never updated, you can see in the wayback machine here: https://web.archive.org/web/20251204151142/https://support.c... > apologies for the confusion response from @thariq

I thought documentation is a solved problem and you can just have an agent keep all your docs up-to-date. /s

You have one agent write the code, a separate one to do the docs, a third to harmonise them.

After a few weeks they'll settle on the documentation for raised garden bed and the implementation of a home defence sprinkler system.

All while leaving you with a $10,000 bill at the end of the month.

Ain't life grand.

Re: Claude Pro: Opus model will only be available if extra usage is enabled

#30

Post by Incipient »

batshit_beaver wrote: post #18

This is going to be interesting. At least for coding, there's little correlation between token spend and the quality (and impact) of the resulting AI suggestion. This is fine when inference prices are capped (eg via a monthly subscription plan or self-hosting), but rapidly discombobulates the relationship between provider and user otherwise. It still seems like OpenAI has no moat and neither does anyone else, as the…

>there's little correlation between token spend and the quality

My sentiment exactly! I have a very similar scaffold to each of my prompts, and feel I provide similar context files, however sometimes I get a truly inspired, complex, and functionally complete response...and sometimes I'd have been better off running lorem ipsum through a python interpreter.

I can't find any rhyme or reason to success. I'm not sure if prompting is significantly more nuanced than I realise, or it's the statistical magic that's having a laugh at me.

>open source models on inference-optimized hardware.

Is this actually a thing? Or are you talking about some hypothetical "opus 4.7 ASIC"?

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