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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by walrus01 »

apparatur wrote: post #7

Next: macOS iCloud backups and the eventual deprecation of local Time Machine backups altogether. More services revenue!

> Next: macOS iCloud backups and the eventual deprecation of local Time Machine backups altogether. More services revenue!

The "new computer" out of box account creation and first sign in experience on both Windows 11 and MacOS are clearly designed to drive end users towards perpetual for life monthly recurring subscriptions for (Microsoft 365 Personal, OneDrive, iCloud storage, etc).

Imagine the difficulty for the ordinary non technical person (absolutely not a stereotypical HN reader) ever being able to stop paying for iCloud when they have 600GB+ of their family photos and videos and stuff backed up to it.

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Post by giantrobot »

throw0101c wrote: post #13

Time Capsule has been unsupported since 2018 (last shipped 2013): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPort_Time_Capsule I think there's some population of folks that have been doing NAS TM backups over AFP, and they'll now have to switch to SMB.

Time Machine support is also dropping support over SMB1 so whatever new solution needs to support SMB2/3.

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Post by angott »

apparatur wrote: post #7

Next: macOS iCloud backups and the eventual deprecation of local Time Machine backups altogether. More services revenue!

I don’t think they’re going to drop support for local backups any time soon. There are lots of enterprise customers relying on Time Machine who will never switch to iCloud. TM can also be configured via MDM settings and is a really common solution for Mac IT administrators, so it would take ages to deprecate it.

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Post by TimTheTinker »

Ubiquiti is really taking up the slack in some areas Apple has abandoned.

I bought a UNAS-2 (and a couple of 12 TB IronWolf Pro drives) a few months ago when the "time capsule will not be supported in a future version of macOS" warning first appeared. It has been outstanding alongside the rest of my UniFi setup, and perfectly supports Time Machine backups. The UniFi Identity macOS app means my family's computers always stay authenticated/connected and my wife & kids don't have to do anything to make Time Machine just work.

If you're a power user who loves the Apple aesthetic and you already have a UniFi setup at home, you'll feel right at home switching from Time Capsule to a UNAS.

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Post by Aurornis »

apparatur wrote: post #7

Next: macOS iCloud backups and the eventual deprecation of local Time Machine backups altogether. More services revenue!

They switched the default protocol from AFP to SMB a long time ago.

They aren’t deprecating Time Machine. The old protocol is being removed.

The old protocol hasn’t worked well for a long time, at least in my experience

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Post by shantara »

>Apple made SMB its primary file-sharing protocol in OS X 10.9 Mavericks, over 12 years ago…

…and yet SMB support in macOS remains slow and buggy to this day. I tried all combinations of server-side settings and obscure plist tweaks to make SMB navigation and search work as fast as they do on my Linux machine out of box before giving up. It is very obviously not a priority for their services revenue, so there’s no incentive for fixing any of the long standing problems.

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Post by trillic »

bayindirh wrote: post #12
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #11

"...if you have an Apple silicon Mac and AFP support is dropped from macOS 27, that would leave you unable to upgrade without replacing your network storage." How big is this market? I'm not saying vibe code a product, but...

That "replacement" is not always full-on hardware. I have colleagues who are running AFP on BSD for continuous backups on their systems, and they have to reconfigure something new to be able to continue backing up their systems.

I use this for networked Time Machine backups for multiple Macs in my household. Works just as well over tailscale VPN.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netatalk

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Post by wtallis »

giantrobot wrote: post #22
throw0101c wrote: post #13

Time Capsule has been unsupported since 2018 (last shipped 2013): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPort_Time_Capsule I think there's some population of folks that have been doing NAS TM backups over AFP, and they'll now have to switch to SMB.

Time Machine support is also dropping support over SMB1 so whatever new solution needs to support SMB2/3.

Where "new" in this case could be a NAS running Samba from 2011? Samba added official support for Time Machine much later, but I think it was possible on earlier versions with some extra steps.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by stackskipton »

giantrobot wrote: post #22
throw0101c wrote: post #13

Time Capsule has been unsupported since 2018 (last shipped 2013): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPort_Time_Capsule I think there's some population of folks that have been doing NAS TM backups over AFP, and they'll now have to switch to SMB.

Time Machine support is also dropping support over SMB1 so whatever new solution needs to support SMB2/3.

SMB2 came out with Vista and SMB3 was Win8 so they are not new protocols either.
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