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Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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I suppose I'd rather the US wins AI as opposed to, say, China

Realistically I am starting to think China would be more responsible with it than the US.

The US no longer feels like a place where the rule of law applies.

For whatever you want to fault China with (human rights, personal freedoms, etc.), there is at least the facade of rule of law.

US is masks off and not even a thin veneer that rule of law applies any more.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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What i find interesting is the other article of geohot regarding AGI.

It seems that its financial possible for a handful of companies to learn everything.

It doesn't matter how we solve 'work':

It can be AGI, it can also be the already existing massive global scale Reinforcement Loop we all feed through using ChatGPT and co, it could be to compute RL or by buying experts teaching this knowledge to some AI system.

Companies also start to put the 'human' part into the agentic layer.

A while back anyone was somehow a benefit even if they did some kind of shitty work. Today i don't think this is true anymore. I would prefer to manage some avg ai than a shitty person.

This will and is already disrupting human lives.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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I don’t want the US to win anything ever again. They are a net negative in this world, obsessed with short term profits. Countries like China with long term objectives are better.

America, China and Russia are all same.

I don't agree.

China took a very rich business man and told him to stop showing his richness and start doing more for china.

China has a real plan for renewable energy and pushing through it.

China is smarter because it doesn't allow some people to vote for people like Trump and its smarter than russia because it is less motivated by one persons personal agenda.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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> Do you want the US to "win" AI? I don't want any one particular country, or organization, to "win" AI. I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out, so that everybody has access to approximately equal levels of AI. If anything, you might say that I want "Open Source to win AI".

That's the last thing big tech companies want. Maybe Meta being the odd exception with Llama.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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> Do you want the US to "win" AI? I don't want any one particular country, or organization, to "win" AI. I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out, so that everybody has access to approximately equal levels of AI. If anything, you might say that I want "Open Source to win AI".

>I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out...

The most widely used AI systems are controlled by a few billionaires. I'd like to see it become much more spread out.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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I don’t want the US to win anything ever again. They are a net negative in this world, obsessed with short term profits. Countries like China with long term objectives are better.

I'm a bit sad that the US now look less reliable (and, on average, more of a net negative) than China, but I can't blame anyone who has that impression right now. As long as the guy who sets the long term objectives is reasonably sane, I guess? Putin attacked Ukraine, Trump (and Bibi) attacked Iran, I'm hoping Xi is smarter and doesn't attack Taiwan, otherwise we can all say good bye to our jobs, and who "wins" AI will be the least important question on our minds...

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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After showing us that these people are willing to vote for Trump twice? Having people like Peter Thiel over there who thinks daemons exist? With Elon Musk having all social security numbers and no one cares about that? Or his blant disruption of democracy? In china people disappear, true, but at least with China you know what you get. With USA its schizophrenia every 4 years and it wouldnt matter to me if suddenly my…

I assure you, daemons do exist. They've possessed my linux server.

They live in the Dust gathered in your server!
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