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Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by ctoth »

chromacity wrote: post #14
saaaaaam wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not really. Spotify is trialling a voluntary “AI Credits” thing where people can highlight use of AI when they release music. https://support.spotify.com/lc/artists/article/ai-credits/ The problem is that subjective judgements by streaming platforms on where an AI line is drawn in music production is difficult. If you human-write a song but use AI to produce a synth stem or bass stem and then mix it down and use…

Honestly, debating these corner cases feels like a distraction tactic. The reality is that the bulk of that 44% is total AI slop: one-sentence prompts entered into Suno to generate 1,000 tracks and extract money from subscribers who stream in the background. It's the same thing with writing. No one cares that you asked a chatbot to help you reword a paragraph in your essay. The problem is zero-effort slop delivered b…

If... If you're pulling from something called a feed ... Are you really surprised to get slop in it?

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by saaaaaam »

milesvp wrote: post #10

Not sure what algorithm Deezer is using, but Benn Jordan is a fairly tech savvy musician who talks about ways to id AI generated music by looking for compression artifacts used by the training data. https://youtu.be/QVXfcIb3OKo?si=74EdIey6RIhuwdzg

This is apparently how Deezer is doing it.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by TremendousJudge »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #12
saaaaaam wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not really. Spotify is trialling a voluntary “AI Credits” thing where people can highlight use of AI when they release music. https://support.spotify.com/lc/artists/article/ai-credits/ The problem is that subjective judgements by streaming platforms on where an AI line is drawn in music production is difficult. If you human-write a song but use AI to produce a synth stem or bass stem and then mix it down and use…

There's a whole spectrum from sfw to nsfw but we don't give up and allow porn on every platform because drawing the line is "difficult". We can use common sense and taste, with all their flaws.

I wouldn't say that porn is not allowed on every platform. basically every mainstream "content posting" platform (fb, ig, tw, tiktok, etc) allows softcore porn, and in fact pushes it on users, both on content an on advertising. if the same was true with AI music I wouldn't bother with the platform

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by TremendousJudge »

saaaaaam wrote: post #8
ambicapter wrote: post #6

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Is it free to upload these files? Maybe a 1¢ fee would be enough to kill a majority of the spam.

Effectively yes. There are plenty of music distributors that have “no fee” distribution where they simply take a percentage of any royalties. I suspect we are going to see that model quickly go out of favour though.

really? there are ways of putting music on Spotify that don't involve paying a fee upfront at any time?

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by subscribed »

nottorp wrote: post #13

So we'll be going back to publishers as curators. Good for the publishers, I guess.

As an user I wouldn't mind as long as it's attributed and I can skip it.

Pisses me off on YouTube - it's really hard to find something genuine in the sea of the AI written, AI subbed, AI generated and AI published - it's a scourge not because it's there, but because the channels are lying about it AND because 99.99999% of what I encountered it's not worth the waste heat processing a "publish 100 catchy videos about current affairs".

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by pavel_lishin »

somewhatgoated wrote: post #20
chromacity wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, debating these corner cases feels like a distraction tactic. The reality is that the bulk of that 44% is total AI slop: one-sentence prompts entered into Suno to generate 1,000 tracks and extract money from subscribers who stream in the background. It's the same thing with writing. No one cares that you asked a chatbot to help you reword a paragraph in your essay. The problem is zero-effort slop delivered b…

Who is listening to that crap anyway when you got literal decades worth of great music to choose from?

New great music is being released every day. What should I do, arbitrary decide to never consume any music made past today?

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by mjr00 »

I wonder how much of this even matters. Sounds like it doesn't (aside from taking up space on Deezer's drives).

> The consumption of AI-generated music on the platform is still very low, at 1-3% of total streams, and 85% of these streams are detected as fraudulent and demonetized by the company.

Even pre-AI, music has always been a winners-take-most business. Per an article from 2022, the vast majority of artists have fewer than 50 monthly listeners[0], which I suspect is far lower now due to the flood of AI.

Not sure about Deezer, but for Spotify there is some kind of minimum to get you into any algorithmic rotation. People try to game this with bots, i.e. botted streams, but the problem with bots is that the accounts are bots, so the recommendations just become music for other bots, hence the part where 85% of the streams are botted. So it doesn't actually work, and you have to rely on old-fashioned promotion to get into any algorithmic playlists.

So 44% of uploads being AI-generated sounds bad, but it's extremely unlikely anyone will ever encounter them naturally, the same way that people don't naturally discover random, non-AI artists with 10 monthly listeners and tracks with less than 1000 plays. This isn't a defense of AI music slop, by the way; it's more pointing out that the "making a song" part only takes you about 20% of the way to becoming an artist people want to listen to. A harsh lesson our friends in /r/SunoAI are learning.

[0] https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/over-75-of-artists-on...

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by starkeeper »

nottorp wrote: post #13

So we'll be going back to publishers as curators. Good for the publishers, I guess.

On a similar note I recently deleted a whole bunch of automated tests because if the AI is going to write most of the code then I should test it to make sure it's good! This won't work for all projects, but for my indie games it's a good idea.
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