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Japan implements language proficiency requirements for certain visa applicants

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Re: Japan implements language proficiency requirements for certain visa applicants

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I mean, seems fair. If I'm applying for a work visa where the work I'm doing would require me to know Japanese, I should know Japanese.

Why do you need that requirement be validated by people and at a level not connection to the place of work?

Presumably 1. the "places of work" are not doing sufficient validation, and therefore 2. regulation is needed when the non-regulated path is failing.

Re: Japan implements language proficiency requirements for certain visa applicants

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Went there in 2012 and then again last year. It's wild how quickly it's changed. IMO, Japan is a very special place and it's sad to see that it's having the same problems as the rest of the first world.

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Key detail: > Immigration authorities say the move is aimed at preventing cases in which foreign workers obtain visas under one category, but then engage in unrelated or lower-skilled work. The claim appears to be that people were using up visa slots for things like interpreters or other jobs where clearly you'd need good language skills to actually do the job, including in Japanese, with the intent all along of doin…

Its not shocking, I see it implemented ie in Switzerland, where half of the world tries to get in. Since each part has their own language and none of that is english, its pretty important to exist in society for anything but brief visitors.

Its not restrictive as this (B2 is pretty high level in any language, here its weak B1) and resefved for 'higher' permits like C, for which you anyway need 10 years of residency in normal circumstances.

But japan is japan and one of most closed societies globally, nobody should be surprised by this.

Re: Japan implements language proficiency requirements for certain visa applicants

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> The new benchmark has been set at the equivalent of the Common European Framework of Reference (CEFR) B2 level. B2 is upper intermediate. Probably 2-5 years of study https://www.coe.int/en/web/common-european-framework-referen...

Or JLPT N2. Which is quite difficult - approx 4000 words and 1000 kanji. That's several years of learning for all but the most proficient. (The scale starts at N5 and lower numbers are harder)

It should be noted that JLPT is not a direct equivalent to CEFR. CEFR requires you to pass speaking and writing, JLPT does not demand you to be able to write, or speak, at all. IT only tests listening and reading. This ironically means that while yeah, you will be able to read a LOT of kanji with JLPT N2, you might not be anywhere near B2 level at speaking and conversation, and probably not at all when it comes to writing (writing Kanji is a whole other thing beyond being able to read, it requires dedicated practice, but anyways a lot of people now don't need to since you can type it out on your phone or computer, and just copy that onto the form or whatever you are writing on)

Re: Japan implements language proficiency requirements for certain visa applicants

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Key detail: > Immigration authorities say the move is aimed at preventing cases in which foreign workers obtain visas under one category, but then engage in unrelated or lower-skilled work. The claim appears to be that people were using up visa slots for things like interpreters or other jobs where clearly you'd need good language skills to actually do the job, including in Japanese, with the intent all along of doin…

There's also the issue of people going to Japan to buy out several properties to then rent them out.

Is that a thing? I remember a few years ago when they added a bunch of regulations to rentals that raised the costs.

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Ok, but neither of those are about work visas. If I'm applying for a work visa, it's because I expect to be in that country to work, not as a permanent resident.

I think we need to acknowledge that all but the most transitory fruit pickers may want to settle permanently after working in a country for many years, and should not unreasonably be prevented from doing so.

What is unreasonable prevention?

Re: Japan implements language proficiency requirements for certain visa applicants

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As someone who has been living in Japan for years now, and still has a long way to go learning the language, I generally support language proficiency requirements. First, it should be noted that these are fairly common sense requirements designed to reduce fraud - requiring people applying for work visas that require Japanese proficiency to actually be able to speak Japanese. I suspect there will be more requirements in the future for things like permanent residency, but will wait for those to actually be implemented before commenting one way or another.

And second - it’s really hard to participate in society if you can’t speak the language. I think this creates resentment for both Japanese citizens and foreign residents alike.

I regret not studying sooner and harder, and a clear language requirement probably would have influenced me to try harder.

Re: Japan implements language proficiency requirements for certain visa applicants

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Went there in 2012 and then again last year. It's wild how quickly it's changed. IMO, Japan is a very special place and it's sad to see that it's having the same problems as the rest of the first world.

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Re: Japan implements language proficiency requirements for certain visa applicants

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, I would have figured the "Specialist in Humanities" part of it would not include software development. I just looked up the definition/qualifications for it and I misunderstood the bit. I thought it was sub categories. Engineers, who are Specialists in Humanities, who are doing International Services. But it's more like three different categories. Engineers OR Specialists in Humanities OR International Services.…

Teaching English is humanities though, not IS, so that doesn't work. (To clarify, teaching at any sort of private company. A K12 school has a dedicated Instructor class that can't be used for anything else.) And translating (which requires proficiency) is IS in some cases I think?

I also initially read it as "this is an example of the type of category that would have the requirement". Which doesn't preclude other categories also needing the requirement.
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