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The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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I am personally of the opinion that ML will end up being 'normal technology', albeit incredibly transformative.

I think you can combine 'Incanters' and 'Process Engineers' into one - 'Users'. Jobs that encompass a role that requires accountability will be directing, providing context, and verifying the output of agents, almost like how millions of workers know basic computer skills and Microsoft Office.

In my opinion, how at-risk a job is in the LLM era comes down to:

1: How easy is it to construct RL loops to hillclimb on performance?

2: How easy is it to construct a LLM harness to perform the tasks?

3: How much of the job is a structured set of tasks vs. taking accountability? What's the consequence of a mistake? How much of it comes down to human relationships?

Hence why I've been quite bullish on software engineering (but not coding). You can easy set up 1) and 2) on contrived or sandboxed coding tasks but then 3) expands and dominates the rest of the role.

On Model Trainers -- I'm not so convinced that RLHF puts the professional experts out of work, for a few reasons. Firstly, nearly all human data companies produce data that is somewhat contrived, by definition of having people grade outputs on a contracting platform; plus there's a seemingly unlimited bound on how much data we can harvest in the world. Secondly, as I mentioned before, the bottleneck is both accountability and the ability for the model to find fresh context without error.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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This is part 9 of a 10-part series. The author has posted every chapter to Hacker News every day for the past 9 days. Every time four of the first five or so comments are: Someone noting it is unavailable in the UK. Someone posting an archive.is link. Someone asking why the above posted an archive link to a static site. An answer that it is because the content is otherwise unavailable in the UK. Do we really need to…

https://xkcd.com/1053/

Relax, not everyone sees every article everyday

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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This is part 9 of a 10-part series. The author has posted every chapter to Hacker News every day for the past 9 days. Every time four of the first five or so comments are: Someone noting it is unavailable in the UK. Someone posting an archive.is link. Someone asking why the above posted an archive link to a static site. An answer that it is because the content is otherwise unavailable in the UK. Do we really need to…

I wish we could flag some posts (like as "tangential") instead of this archaic upvote/downvote.

And obviously a way to filter in/out those flags.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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I think that this is an interesting attempt at taxonomy, but it's a bit on the magical thinking end (and I say this as somebody that does a good amount of what's described as the incanter role). It's a combination of the author's previous witchy aesthetic (see his excellent " ing the technical interview" series) and progressive labor politics (which are asymptotically doomed in the current automation push). The bigge…

And when the haruspex LLM fails, what do we turn to?

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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As an engineer, I'm never more excited about this job.

My implementation speed and bug fixing my typed code to be the bottleneck - now I just think about an implementation and it then exist - As long as I thought about the structure/input/output/testability and logic flow correctly and made sure I included all that information, it just works, nicely, with tests.

Unix philosophy works well with LLM too - you can have software that does one thing well and only one thing well, that fit in their context and do not lead to haphazard behavior.

Now my day essentially revolves around delivering/improving on delivering concentrated engineering thinking, which in my opinion is the pure part about engineer profession itself. I like it quite a lot.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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"Unavailable Due to the UK Online Safety Act" - without my VPN... do you know why?

Geo blocking the UK satisfies any age verification, otherwise the site owner would have to check if their content is considered adult in the UK and implement something.

"otherwise the site owner would have to check if their content is considered adult in the UK and implement something"

IMO a small blog website is not going to get pulled-up for this - it's about the author making a point. They're entitled to do so of course.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geo blocking the UK satisfies any age verification, otherwise the site owner would have to check if their content is considered adult in the UK and implement something.

"otherwise the site owner would have to check if their content is considered adult in the UK and implement something" IMO a small blog website is not going to get pulled-up for this - it's about the author making a point. They're entitled to do so of course.

Never know when one of your posts might gain serious traction. Not worth the risk. Very easy to find many examples of people making decisions thinking “I/we will never be big enough for that to be relevant” only to be haunted by that decision later. Classic example: partnership agreements/contracts between friends and family on small endeavors.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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As an engineer, I'm never more excited about this job. My implementation speed and bug fixing my typed code to be the bottleneck - now I just think about an implementation and it then exist - As long as I thought about the structure/input/output/testability and logic flow correctly and made sure I included all that information, it just works, nicely, with tests. Unix philosophy works well with LLM too - you can have…

I mostly agree with you.

Though something I half-miss is using my own software as I build it to get a visceral feel for the abstractions so far. I've found that testability is a good enough proxy for "nice to use" since I think "nice to use" tends to mean that a subsystem is decoupled enough to cover unexpected usage patterns, and that's an incidental side-effect of testability.

One concern I have is that it's getting harder to demonstrate ability.

e.g. Github profiles were a good signal though one that nobody cared about unless the hiring person was an engineer who could evaluate it. But now that signal is even more rubbish. Even readmes and blog posts are becoming worse signals since they don't necessarily showcase your own communication skills anymore nor how you think about problems.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: New Jobs

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post #21

I am personally of the opinion that ML will end up being 'normal technology', albeit incredibly transformative. I think you can combine 'Incanters' and 'Process Engineers' into one - 'Users'. Jobs that encompass a role that requires accountability will be directing, providing context, and verifying the output of agents, almost like how millions of workers know basic computer skills and Microsoft Office. In my opinion…

In some sense, technology is "not normal" regardless.

If we think of the digitization tech revolution... the changes it made to the economy are hard to describe well, even now.

In the early days, it was going to turn banks from billion dollar businesses to million dollar ones. Universities would be able to eliminate most of their admin. Accounting and finances would be trivialized. Etc.

Earlier tech revolution s were unpredictable too... But at lest retrospectively they made sense.

It's not that clear what the core activities of our economy even are. It's clear at micro level, but as you zoom out it gets blurry.

Why is accountability needed? It's clearly needed in its context... but it's hard to understand how it aggregates.

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