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Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by hypeatei »

embedding-shape wrote: post #3
groby_b wrote: post #2

HTTP 451 "We recognise you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore cannot grant you access at this time. For any issues, e-mail us at info@franklinnews.org or call us at (847) 497-5230." This is extremely funny given it's an article about privacy concerns :)

I love seeing this, and love seeing regulations working exactly as wanted! What I see is basically "We're unable to serve this website without compromising your privacy, so instead of pretending or giving you a choice, we give you this message so you can turn around".

What does GDPR get you that browser settings and an extension don't? I'm genuinely curious how random websites refusing to serve content / spamming cookie banners is a good thing?

The data download and removal side of GDPR seems useful for more "entrenched" use cases where you have an account and a long history on a service but... fly-by website visits should not be this heavily regulated. Blocking cookies and scripts is trivial.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by charcircuit »

troad wrote: post #11
embedding-shape wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love seeing this, and love seeing regulations working exactly as wanted! What I see is basically "We're unable to serve this website without compromising your privacy, so instead of pretending or giving you a choice, we give you this message so you can turn around".

> "We're unable to serve this website without compromising your privacy... " More accurately, "we do not have the staff or funds to figure out what every single random law around the globe requires of us, and since foreign countries are not a realistic advertising market for a local Michigan newspaper, there's really no reason for us to try."

>since foreign countries are not a realistic advertising market for a local Michigan newspaper

This may be true for in house ads, but there are ad networks that already are able to personalize ads and have ad inventory for such foreign countries.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by noir_lord »

al_borland wrote: post #9

> The right to opt out of its sale, and Why the right to opt-out, instead of requiring sale of data to be opt-in? I’m not sure how this stuff happens on the backend, but if I sign up for something and there is an opt-out page buried somewhere, I assume they’ve already sold my data by the time I can get to the opt-out page. I still make a best effort, but once it’s sold, it’s really too late. There needs to be an opti…

This annoys me with Apple devices, iCloud and all it's related backups of..well everything are on by default and it doesn't ask at any point in the setup of the device.

You have to then go into settings -> icloud and disable the main one and then like 30 individual ones.

There should be a big toggle at the top that says "Disable All Cloud Backups" they can feel free to throw in a warning.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by colejohnson66 »

hypeatei wrote: post #21
embedding-shape wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love seeing this, and love seeing regulations working exactly as wanted! What I see is basically "We're unable to serve this website without compromising your privacy, so instead of pretending or giving you a choice, we give you this message so you can turn around".

What does GDPR get you that browser settings and an extension don't? I'm genuinely curious how random websites refusing to serve content / spamming cookie banners is a good thing? The data download and removal side of GDPR seems useful for more "entrenched" use cases where you have an account and a long history on a service but... fly-by website visits should not be this heavily regulated. Blocking cookies and script…

I should not need extensions for a business to respect my privacy. It's as simple as that.

If you look at it through an equity angle, needing extensions relegates the negative effects to those that are already not "well off" — the technologically illiterate who don't know what to do or know someone who does.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by trollbridge »

al_borland wrote: post #9

> The right to opt out of its sale, and Why the right to opt-out, instead of requiring sale of data to be opt-in? I’m not sure how this stuff happens on the backend, but if I sign up for something and there is an opt-out page buried somewhere, I assume they’ve already sold my data by the time I can get to the opt-out page. I still make a best effort, but once it’s sold, it’s really too late. There needs to be an opti…

Microsoft likes to do the "opt out for the next 30 days", including uploading all my spreadsheets to Copilot to be training data.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by [deleted] »

noir_lord wrote: post #23
al_borland wrote: post #9

> The right to opt out of its sale, and Why the right to opt-out, instead of requiring sale of data to be opt-in? I’m not sure how this stuff happens on the backend, but if I sign up for something and there is an opt-out page buried somewhere, I assume they’ve already sold my data by the time I can get to the opt-out page. I still make a best effort, but once it’s sold, it’s really too late. There needs to be an opti…

This annoys me with Apple devices, iCloud and all it's related backups of..well everything are on by default and it doesn't ask at any point in the setup of the device. You have to then go into settings -> icloud and disable the main one and then like 30 individual ones. There should be a big toggle at the top that says "Disable All Cloud Backups" they can feel free to throw in a warning.

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Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by soopypoos »

master-lincoln wrote: post #19
embedding-shape wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you don't have to do any of that stuff if you either are upfront about selling user data and ask if it's OK, or if you just don't do that stuff at all.

But to know that you would have to study the laws of other countries or in this case EU which costs money and in this case is not an obviously beneficial investment.

they blocked a continent without seeking any advice?

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by colejohnson66 »

trollbridge wrote: post #25
al_borland wrote: post #9

> The right to opt out of its sale, and Why the right to opt-out, instead of requiring sale of data to be opt-in? I’m not sure how this stuff happens on the backend, but if I sign up for something and there is an opt-out page buried somewhere, I assume they’ve already sold my data by the time I can get to the opt-out page. I still make a best effort, but once it’s sold, it’s really too late. There needs to be an opti…

Microsoft likes to do the "opt out for the next 30 days", including uploading all my spreadsheets to Copilot to be training data.

"Can we do X, Y, Z?" Yes? Or maybe later?

It's so annoying. No means no, not "pester me later"!

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by hypeatei »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #24
hypeatei wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does GDPR get you that browser settings and an extension don't? I'm genuinely curious how random websites refusing to serve content / spamming cookie banners is a good thing? The data download and removal side of GDPR seems useful for more "entrenched" use cases where you have an account and a long history on a service but... fly-by website visits should not be this heavily regulated. Blocking cookies and script…

I should not need extensions for a business to respect my privacy. It's as simple as that. If you look at it through an equity angle, needing extensions relegates the negative effects to those that are already not "well off" — the technologically illiterate who don't know what to do or know someone who does.

So someone's refusal to make a couple clicks to install an extension necessitates: 1) millions of users having to click to get the annoying popup off their screen, 2) installing an extension to block those anyway, and 3) a more fractured internet where website operators outright refuse to serve content because of liability? I'd bet a very large sum of money that the technologically illiterate don't read anything on those popups and click "Accept all cookies"
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