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Re: The Grand Line

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Post by fingerlocks »

ares623 wrote: post #14
fingerlocks wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why stop with traditionally published works? Before dead-internet-day, very-nearly all forms of writing were guaranteed to be hand crafted, organic, and made with 100% Natural Intelligence. The artificial stuff often has an odd taste, but boy it sure is quick and convenient.

You joke, but I bet every person in this forum, when presented the choice between a bot-filled forum and a guaranteed human-only* forum, they'd go with the latter. * this is a hypothetical scenario. I don't know any guaranteed human-only digital forums.

On the contrary! The dead-day theorem established earlier states that an 11/22 date filter is a necessary condition for verifiable human-only content, when filtered by content-creation date.

A weaker theorem can be postulated that any such filter provides a second order sufficient condition.

This means we can filter content by account creation date, for example, by hiding all posts and comments from accounts created after the digital death event. This won’t always guarantee human-only content but certainly more than otherwise.

But then we wouldn’t be having this most definitively human-to-human conversation, right?

Re: The Grand Line

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Post by operatingthetan »

alex43578 wrote: post #20
operatingthetan wrote: post #9

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Is it "solid" if people can read it and instantly know it's generated content?

Who's "people"? The bottom X% (40%?) of the population is already falling for AI slop video scams, but before that, they were also falling for pig butchering and nigerian prince scams, so the "average" person benchmark has already been passed for text, photos, videos, etc. For more astute consumers, video isn't there yet. There's also the question of whether people are even trying to disguise AI content, and how effe…

>Who's "people"?

If you follow this thread up you will see the context is 'people who want to read content written by humans.'

Re: The Grand Line

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Post by delis-thumbs-7e »

My humanist degree and all those years reading B’s and D’s of French philosophy come extremely useful in strange places. Having had to write long essays sieving through mounds of seemingly near impenetrable (and actually surprisingly banal, after you learn how to read it) prose of post-structuralist philosophy, I learned how to automatically look for the structure of the text first by skimming, starting from the end, creating a mental map of the text so that you can locate the main argument and the amino acid amongst the boilerplate and stock sentences.

Today it saves me time skimming a text, seeking for main sentences by jumoing around and quickly coming to the understanding of “Oh, hi ChatGPT”. In the past it has saved me a lot of time not being tricked to read SEO gurgle, ad-copy and just generally bad writing. If writing is really just editing, reading is mostly filtering, sieving the cereal from the chaff.

Re: The Grand Line

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Post by throawayonthe »

alex43578 wrote: post #8
echelon wrote: post #5

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Is the ChatGPT launch the "low background steel" date for writing? What's are the dates for images and video? Nano Banana Pro and Seedance 2.0? And code? Opus 4.6?

It's not the launch of GPT, but probably about 4 or 4o that it really became solid. I also don't think video is there just yet, at least for video over 10 seconds.

why does it matter when it "became solid?" there was plenty of slop generated with ChatGPT, that really was the turning point (because of public access)

Re: The Grand Line

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Post by throwaway_ab »

patcon wrote: post #15

I actually loved this, and felt moved. While reading, my mind fired rapidly through dozens of personal memes (i.e. tags for my regularly trod thought-paths) that I keep in my knowledge-base. This is the 30mb text corpus where I log all my work and peer conversations and thoughts, and (amongst other things) where I think through what I would consider my spiritual practices... my sensemaking around complex systems, inc…

Do you mind me asking what type of system do you use for keeping these notes, the 30mb text corpus with conversations and journaling? Are you using txt, an app like Logseq? I flip flop between apps for this sort of thing and then annoyingly the building of a "system" sucks up my time rather than writing and logging and reflecting. It's a struggle for me any advice would be much appreciated :)

Re: The Grand Line

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Post by dijit »

elcapitan wrote: post #7
computably wrote: post #4

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> And the similarities are striking. Now, I dont know whether the recommended novel is the training data, or its actually written by LLM. Or maybe its just how novelist writes. For traditionally published works, it's trivial to exclude LLM-written content, just look for anything published before Nov 30, 2022.

Which is also a good filter for web searches to exclude a lot of garbage results (if the specific search makes sense for non-recent results)

Except many search engines have a recency bias.

A sane default previously; as news changes and the status quo also, but it makes you even more likely to encounter slop now.

Re: The Grand Line

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Post by throw-the-towel »

fingerlocks wrote: post #10
computably wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And the similarities are striking. Now, I dont know whether the recommended novel is the training data, or its actually written by LLM. Or maybe its just how novelist writes. For traditionally published works, it's trivial to exclude LLM-written content, just look for anything published before Nov 30, 2022.

Why stop with traditionally published works? Before dead-internet-day, very-nearly all forms of writing were guaranteed to be hand crafted, organic, and made with 100% Natural Intelligence. The artificial stuff often has an odd taste, but boy it sure is quick and convenient.

Don't you remember the endless SEO spam that swamped the Net even before GPT, allegedly written by real humans?

Re: The Grand Line

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Post by spoonyvoid7 »

Pangram says this is 61% AI generated. Thinking of paying for a Pangram subscription so I can spend the valuable time I have to read for pleasure on human created pieces than AI slop.
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