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Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by kleiba2 »

There are a number of reasons at play here why the premise of this article does not make much sense (without further context). Here are just five points:

1. For years, men have have had a much higher employment rate than women, e.g. 85 million men vs. 66 million women in the US in 2024 [1]. In other words, women are just catching up.

2. Women have a much higher rate of part-time jobs [1]. That is, a certain job would employ more women than men if women typically work part-time while men typically work full-time.

3. Employers are sometimes incentivized to hire women over men in case of equal qualification, e.g. [2]

4. Women earn better salaries than ever before, making it more attractive for them to apply to more jobs.

5. The statistics doesn't say anything about job migration: if I'm a woman who got a good job today but could get an even better one in half a year, will that be counted as two jobs given to a woman?

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1378067/number-employed-...

[2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4418903/

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by joe_mamba »

PessimalDecimal wrote: post #19
jt2190 wrote: post #4

> The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere. i.e. Nursing jobs mostly go to women not because men can’t do them because “nurses aren’t men”, per our current cultural norms.

There's been a lot of talk about "toxic masculinity" over the years but I've heard of and would worry about the female equivalent if I were considering a role in nursing as a man. Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. Seems awful

Or also being the only male hire in something like HR department.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by hackyhacky »

PessimalDecimal wrote: post #19
jt2190 wrote: post #4

> The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere. i.e. Nursing jobs mostly go to women not because men can’t do them because “nurses aren’t men”, per our current cultural norms.

There's been a lot of talk about "toxic masculinity" over the years but I've heard of and would worry about the female equivalent if I were considering a role in nursing as a man. Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. Seems awful

> Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances.

In other words, men in nursing are treated to the same indignities that women experience in most jobs?

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by guzfip »

- nursing: I don’t want to work 60-70 hours a week at your horrific body shop of a PE asset

- teaching: unruly kids. Bully’s get protected and those who stand up get punished. There’s some level of societal distrust of men around children not their own.

- social work: you’re exposed to some of the worst most horrific side of society constantly for peanut pay. You’re constantly in a position where you want to help people, but are constrained by things far outside your power.

Yeah I don’t care how “masculine” you try to frame them, just not interested.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by [deleted] »

boringg wrote: post #16
intrepidpar wrote: post #3

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Academic achievement isn't rewarded socially for boys except a select core group. Therefore you don't get as much effort on boys who aren't in that core. Knock on effects could continue through the education system to the working world. Also there is certainly a world right now that says, oh your a man? Life is pretty grand to be a man - especially if you are a certain social economic class. There is some truth to th…

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Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by rirze »

Here's another explanation. My hypothesis goes deeper than gender imbalance.

Most job interviews are theater nowadays. It's about conformity, performative culture fitting, agreeableness (read, willing to slave away without complaining).

On average, women tend to better suited for such processes. Along with immigrant groups.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by kleiba2 »

zbentley wrote: post #15
intrepidpar wrote: post #3

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Citation needed, bad faith suspected. Even adjusted for maternity and career entry/exit differences, the gender pay gap is still big and real. And while there is overlap and outliers, many more women-dominated industries are at lower pay segments (and with fewer benefits) than industries dominated by men.

> the gender pay gap is still big and real

Not that big however if you control for line of work (which industry), education, prior experience, and part-time vs. full-time employment.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

Postmodernist movements like DEI were never about objective reality — in fact the idea of an objective reality is outright rejected. It doesn't matter if men are being left out of jobs (statistically) — they're [according to the ideology] the eternal benefactors of invisible, omnipresent systemic privilege. This is of course the complete opposite of the ideals of liberalism and the human rights movement, which is why so many people are fundamentally at odds with common illiberal corporate policy today (although it's often difficult to articulate why without being dismissed as a bigot).

For more on this, I recommend Cynical Theories[0] by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay.

[0]: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53052177-cynical-theorie...

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by joe_mamba »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #10

people are only starting to care because really bad things happen when you start to get a large portion of the male population being disenfranchised.

That's why historically, leaders would send those men to die in wars. Totally not what seems to be brewing right now.

Though present day men don't seem to be biting the "let's join the military and fight foreign wars for our corrupt baby-eating pedo leaders" nationalist propaganda, like they did generations ago.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by torben-friis »

DrJokepu wrote: post #9
torben-friis wrote: post #7

>Of the 369,000 jobs the Labor Department says were created since the start of Trump's second term, nearly all — 348,000 of them — went to women, with only 21,000 going to men. (...) >The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, How can a part add more than the total? Are…

The rest of the economy could have added a negative number of jobs (meaning lost).

Yeah, but if we're splitting losses by gender as well then the gender difference might as well be due to men dominated fields getting shredded.

As in, balanced job creation + a shitton of mostly male tech workers fired = female growth.

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