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Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by chrisco23 »

Love Lichess. These days I haven't been playing very much but always watching chess streaming commentary. So I was surprised when I saw Take Take Take had a launch party Monday but no stream on Tuesday (getting dumped by chess.com). I never play chess on a phone but I was curious to see how Take Take Take might be incorporating LLM for English language explanation. Last fall I did a sort of proof of concept of this, not nearly fleshed out like the TTT app.

So I literally dusted off an old Android tablet and played one game. Pleased to see I got logged right in to my lichess account, played a 10 + 5 unrated, did game review. I think this should be great for everybody all around, and as others have expressed I hope lichess doesn't get caught up in some business grief. The game review was not earth-shattering but decent move-by-move explanation that I think will help a lot of players, especially newer players.

I will stick to playing on lichess in browser, on a 43" tv monitor, running and reading local Stockfish eval., without the English explan.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by jeremyjh »

cjpearson wrote: post #8

The linked post on Take Take Take is interesting. Magnus Carlsen created a chess.com competitor and eventually sold it to chess.com and became a sponsor. While working as a sponsor he then created a new chess.com competitor. I'm a Lichess patron and happy to see them get support, but I do feel a bit bad for chess.com in this case. Magnus is such a big figure in chess that organizations like FIDE and chess.com feel th…

Magnus has said multiple times in the past - through the predecessors he owned or was involved with that he is not involved in the business side much at all; he's mostly an investor and a promotional actor. Of course they didn't do this without his agreement. He's always been a fan of Lichess too and played lots of their tournaments.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by xiphias2 »

cjpearson wrote: post #8

The linked post on Take Take Take is interesting. Magnus Carlsen created a chess.com competitor and eventually sold it to chess.com and became a sponsor. While working as a sponsor he then created a new chess.com competitor. I'm a Lichess patron and happy to see them get support, but I do feel a bit bad for chess.com in this case. Magnus is such a big figure in chess that organizations like FIDE and chess.com feel th…

They have a choice: study chess and beat Magnus. Until then I will care about Magnus (and lichess) more then those businesses.

The best thing they did was that they bought an amazing domain name.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by lxgr »

TheRoque wrote: post #12

Huge respect to Lichess. Open source, no ads, super clean interface and super functional website. Chess.com is a pain to use compared to it. All their finances are also public: https://lichess.org/costs

It's truly phenomenal.

Even my diamond platinum extreme chess.com subscription (or however the third-best tier of a dozen or so is called) has much less functionality than Lichess's only tier.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by elAhmo »

TheRoque wrote: post #12

Huge respect to Lichess. Open source, no ads, super clean interface and super functional website. Chess.com is a pain to use compared to it. All their finances are also public: https://lichess.org/costs

Quite amazing to see that "French social security / pension contrib" are almost the same as their total server costs, and there is loads of them.

With just a few employees, it is quite interesting to compare how much do some of these contributions cost, effectively affecting only a person or two, compared to a service like Lichess which is used by 5-10 million of users each month.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by lxgr »

cjpearson wrote: post #8

The linked post on Take Take Take is interesting. Magnus Carlsen created a chess.com competitor and eventually sold it to chess.com and became a sponsor. While working as a sponsor he then created a new chess.com competitor. I'm a Lichess patron and happy to see them get support, but I do feel a bit bad for chess.com in this case. Magnus is such a big figure in chess that organizations like FIDE and chess.com feel th…

> I do feel a bit bad for chess.com

I'm sure they'll be crying all the way to the bank.

> I hope Lichess does not find themselves in a poor position if Magnus decides to "alter the deal".

I also hope they manage to avoid becoming dependent on whatever this deal grants them.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by CarterWilliams »

k2xl wrote: post #10

Lichess has been absolutely fantastic platform. AS a chess enthusiast as an engineer of a chess website me and some others are building (shameless plug, https://chess67.com ), they are the only platform I have worked with where so much is so easily accessible in terms of their APIs. Their Oauth requires to special app registration nor any oauth secrets - only platform I have seen that does that. I do wonder how this…

Yeah that’s a really interesting point. The openness is mainly what makes Lichess so powerful for organizers and developers.

chess67 looks interesting from my perspective as a coach and club organizer, especially for running tournaments and gaining exposure for my coaching and events.

But I do wonder where the boundary is long term. If more tools start tapping into the player pool, there’s probably a balance between staying open and preventing people from just free riding on the Lichess ecosystem.

Either way, it’s pretty unique. You don’t really see that level of accessibility elsewhere in the chess world.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by lxgr »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #7
sheiyei wrote: post #5

Lichess is incredibly well optimized [0] (and an amazing public service). I'm sure that this is very cost effective for TTT, so a win-win. [0] https://lichess.org/@/revoof/blog/optimizing-the-tablebase-s...

Lichess is written in Scala and is hosted on dedicated OVH for a very significantly small amount of money (I think just a few thousand dollars per month) and hosts so many millions of players and games. It's an understatement how well optimized they are right down to the optimization techniques that they use and the infra providers that they use. The same thing even in something like AWS could cause significantly mor…

It also seems to have significantly better availability than chess.com, where I regularly had games end abruptly and be completely removed from my game history due to what I can only assume is a server restart.

Re: Lichess and Take Take Take Sign Cooperation Agreement

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Post by lxgr »

embedding-shape wrote: post #11
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lichess is written in Scala and is hosted on dedicated OVH for a very significantly small amount of money (I think just a few thousand dollars per month) and hosts so many millions of players and games. It's an understatement how well optimized they are right down to the optimization techniques that they use and the infra providers that they use. The same thing even in something like AWS could cause significantly mor…

> It also shows that you don't need AWS/GCP/Azure for basically just about everything, to be honest. That's where they won, people think AWS/GCP/Azure has to be the default while in reality, the number of platforms that actually need to be able to scale up/down fast are probably below 1% of all platforms out there. Most platforms would save money and run better with proper dedicated hardware rather than going for clo…

It's the same principle that makes so many people unreasonably sympathetic to the concerns of those much wealthier than themselves: The statistically implausible assumption that they, too, will soon be part of the 1% somehow. Better start acting the part early!
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