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Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by temp8830 »

e2le wrote: post #16
jghn wrote: post #5

Last week the US stated they didn't need any of the oil, and that if other countries wanted it they could go figure it out themselves. Looks like they have. And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran if they don't open up the oil.

We are 1 Year and 3 months into this current administration, 2 years and 9 months remain. Despite the short period in office, so much damage and chaos has being caused by one individual and the sycophants who surround him. It is a fact that the reputation of the USA has being damaged, perhaps not repairable for decades or more. This will have consequences. Perhaps, I hope, Americans will take action to save the democ…

Approximately the same things were said about Dubya Jr's war with invisible WMDs. If you've forgotten - listen to some songs that came out at the time. It's not about a particular president, it's that the US seems to have a systemic dependency on starting these wars.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by nozzlegear »

sneak wrote: post #9
zzzeek wrote: post #3

The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults, will need to offer great concessions to Iran in order to extricate from the effects of a disastrous, illegal (both from a US as well as an intentional standpoint) and of course, completely, utterly failed war. And it might be just that Iran gets to be a permanent toll collector for the global economy.

> The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults Everyone reasonable seems to be holding their breath in anticipation of this eventually happening. What if it doesn’t? What if all of this is a symptom of an underlying deterioration that extends deeper and beyond the current administration? It’s not Trump that made Americans A-OK with wars of aggression; Obama blew up as many kids using drones as Trump put…

> Obama blew up as many kids using drones as Trump put into cages.

Obama didn't deliberately target kids using drones.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by Jensson »

zzzeek wrote: post #3

The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults, will need to offer great concessions to Iran in order to extricate from the effects of a disastrous, illegal (both from a US as well as an intentional standpoint) and of course, completely, utterly failed war. And it might be just that Iran gets to be a permanent toll collector for the global economy.

> The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults

Betting says next president will be Gavin Newsom or JD Vance or Marco Rubio, so I wouldn't bet on that happening anytime soon. It is weird how so bad people bubble up in american politics.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by zzzeek »

Jensson wrote: post #23
zzzeek wrote: post #3

The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults, will need to offer great concessions to Iran in order to extricate from the effects of a disastrous, illegal (both from a US as well as an intentional standpoint) and of course, completely, utterly failed war. And it might be just that Iran gets to be a permanent toll collector for the global economy.

> The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults Betting says next president will be Gavin Newsom or JD Vance or Marco Rubio, so I wouldn't bet on that happening anytime soon. It is weird how so bad people bubble up in american politics.

none of those three people will be president

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by Jensson »

zzzeek wrote: post #24
Jensson wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults Betting says next president will be Gavin Newsom or JD Vance or Marco Rubio, so I wouldn't bet on that happening anytime soon. It is weird how so bad people bubble up in american politics.

none of those three people will be president

Then you can get rich by betting against it, so most people seem to disagree with you. And in a democracy most people decide who the next leader will be.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by watwut »

Jensson wrote: post #15
soared wrote: post #10

This seems like one of the first very clear indications that separating your country from the US can be beneficial. The first stone unturned - will we see more countries aligning with other powers?

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What are on about now? France explicitely and vocally refused to enter the war. That is why their tanker passed.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by freedomben »

gosub100 wrote: post #19
e2le wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are 1 Year and 3 months into this current administration, 2 years and 9 months remain. Despite the short period in office, so much damage and chaos has being caused by one individual and the sycophants who surround him. It is a fact that the reputation of the USA has being damaged, perhaps not repairable for decades or more. This will have consequences. Perhaps, I hope, Americans will take action to save the democ…

My hope is that this will show weaknesses in our supposed "checks and balances" that can be patched later. If that means it takes an act of congress to even fire a single military weapon, so be it. That's just one example, but basically "they" need to backtrack and find every "hack" trump used and plug it so this never happens again.

Agreed, but the problem is that whichever party is in power wants to expand presidential authority, and only the minority party wants to reign it in. When the president flips, usually so do the parties in power. Plus you have to be enough majority to override a presidential veto. I don't see this ever workign out :-(

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by nozzlegear »

e2le wrote: post #16
jghn wrote: post #5

Last week the US stated they didn't need any of the oil, and that if other countries wanted it they could go figure it out themselves. Looks like they have. And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran if they don't open up the oil.

We are 1 Year and 3 months into this current administration, 2 years and 9 months remain. Despite the short period in office, so much damage and chaos has being caused by one individual and the sycophants who surround him. It is a fact that the reputation of the USA has being damaged, perhaps not repairable for decades or more. This will have consequences. Perhaps, I hope, Americans will take action to save the democ…

> Perhaps, I hope, Americans will take action to save the democratic norms and institutions that so many of them have claimed to cherish. Before he has dismantled and replaced too many to salvage. Or perhaps they have work tomorrow.

I'm going to take action by voting in November. Or are you suggesting revolution is more prudent, that I should put my life on the line right now because the global economy is a little fucky?

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ronnier »

iJohnDoe wrote: post #17
e2le wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are 1 Year and 3 months into this current administration, 2 years and 9 months remain. Despite the short period in office, so much damage and chaos has being caused by one individual and the sycophants who surround him. It is a fact that the reputation of the USA has being damaged, perhaps not repairable for decades or more. This will have consequences. Perhaps, I hope, Americans will take action to save the democ…

Worst case there will be another Republican president from the same tribe. We could be in for the same exact chaos and damage for another four years. This could go on for a long time. Remember, Republicans get out and vote. They would rather suffer and destroy America just so the democrats don’t win.

I think a large part of why they do this and vote the way they do is because of comments like yours. Hacker news, Reddit, award shows, movies, universities, etc all have a constant drum beat of disdain and hate towards them. I think this motivates them into voting even if the vote is against their own interest.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ndiddy »

jghn wrote: post #5

Last week the US stated they didn't need any of the oil, and that if other countries wanted it they could go figure it out themselves. Looks like they have. And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran if they don't open up the oil.

> And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran if they don't open up the oil.

Trump's most recent statement ( https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1163519987825... ):

"Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP"

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