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Re: A case study in testing with 100+ Claude agents in parallel

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Not true. https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/your-data

Even if you believe the "we don't train on your data" claim/lie, that leaves a whole lot of things they can do with it besides training directly on it. Analytics can be run on it, they can run it through their own models, synthetic training data can be derived from it, it can be used to build profiles on you/your business, they could harvest trade/literal secrets from it, they could store derivatives of your data to…

No. Your data or any derivative of it does not leave RAM unless you are detected as doing something that qualifies as abuse, then it is retained for 30 days.

Re: A case study in testing with 100+ Claude agents in parallel

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There is no such court ruling.

Courts ruled that AI works can't be copyrighted https://fairuse.stanford.edu/case/thaler-v-perlmutter/

Bullshit. Did you even read the court's opinion in that case? The Dunning-Kruger effect strikes again.

Re: A case study in testing with 100+ Claude agents in parallel

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That's about the API. It doesn't say anything about their other products like Codex. Moreover, even in the API it says you have to qualify for zero retention policies. They retain the data for however long each jurisdiction requires data retention & they are always improving their abuse detection using the retained data. > Our use of content. We may use Content to provide, maintain, develop, and improve our Services,…

Codex just talks to the responses API with store=false. So unless the model detects you are doing something that qualifies as abuse, nothing is retained.

Alright, good luck to you. I'm not really interested in talking to people who think they're lawyers for AI providers. If you think they don't keep any of the data & don't use it for training then you are welcome to continue believing that. It makes no difference to me either way.

Re: A case study in testing with 100+ Claude agents in parallel

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Codex just talks to the responses API with store=false. So unless the model detects you are doing something that qualifies as abuse, nothing is retained.

Alright, good luck to you. I'm not really interested in talking to people who think they're lawyers for AI providers. If you think they don't keep any of the data & don't use it for training then you are welcome to continue believing that. It makes no difference to me either way.

> Alright, good luck to you. I'm not really interested in talking to people who think they're lawyers for AI providers.

Codex is open source, you can inspect it yourself, but let's not let facts ruin your David vs Goliath fantasy.

Re: A case study in testing with 100+ Claude agents in parallel

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Even if you believe the "we don't train on your data" claim/lie, that leaves a whole lot of things they can do with it besides training directly on it. Analytics can be run on it, they can run it through their own models, synthetic training data can be derived from it, it can be used to build profiles on you/your business, they could harvest trade/literal secrets from it, they could store derivatives of your data to…

No. Your data or any derivative of it does not leave RAM unless you are detected as doing something that qualifies as abuse, then it is retained for 30 days.

Even the process of deciding what "qualifies as abuse" does what I'm talking about: they're analyzing your data with their own models and doing whatever they want with the results, including storing it and using it to ban you from the product you paid for, and call the police on you.

Either way, I don't believe it.

Re: A case study in testing with 100+ Claude agents in parallel

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this is a pitch to sell an agent orchestration product and services.

Kanjun here, cofounder of Imbue (we put out this blog post, and I'm quite surprised it's on the front page of HN!)

The agent orchestration library (mngr) is open source, so we aren't selling anything. There is literally no way for us to make money on it.

We shipped it this way instead of trying to monetize because we believe open agents must win over closed / verticalized platforms in order for humans to live freely in our AI future. We have plenty of money and runway as a company, and this feels much more important to work on.

Re: A case study in testing with 100+ Claude agents in parallel

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this is a pitch to sell an agent orchestration product and services.

Kanjun here, cofounder of Imbue (we put out this blog post, and I'm quite surprised it's on the front page of HN!) The agent orchestration library (mngr) is open source, so we aren't selling anything. There is literally no way for us to make money on it. We shipped it this way instead of trying to monetize because we believe open agents must win over closed / verticalized platforms in order for humans to live freely…

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