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The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

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Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

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Post by s-xyz »

pmarreck wrote: post #13

I do all my dev in CC now. Only occasionally review with an editor. CC is great at many things but one area it is still not great at is making GUI interactions look and work properly. Literally likely because it can neither see the GUI (without manual screenshot intervention) nor can it see it change over time. So if for example a progress indication is not working correctly, it will totally miss stuff like that.

Yeah I can see that. How many Claude or Codex terminal sessions do you run in parallel?

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

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Post by jmclnx »

s-xyz wrote: post #18
jmclnx wrote: post #17

ADE ? This is when I know we are running out of acronyms :) ADE was the "Advanced Development Environment" that you could get in the 80s for the Wang VS System. ADE started suffering from some minor bitrot, so on the VS I wrote my own I called DE, Development Environment. There was a decent chance DE would have been bundled with Wangs VS on AIX Environment that was being built in R&D, but the company went Chapter 11…

So cool! What alternative acronym do you propose?

None, that project is long dead, I just find it interesting we seems to have run out of acronyms, especially 3 letter ones.

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

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Post by operatingthetan »

fragmede wrote: post #20
andrewstuart wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d resign on the spot if my team lead told me to delete all IDEs and that coding is solved.

If all coding is solved, what do they need you for? You'd be laid off before you could quit if that was the case.

Exactly, if coding is solved, why do they have a team? I'm sure doing all their engineering through an openclaw instance is totally a good idea, right?

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

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Post by teleforce »

operatingthetan wrote: post #5
heckelson wrote: post #2

I feel like I'm starting to have an allergic reaction to the AI writing style. I can no longer unsee it, albeit I can't exactly pinpoint what about the text triggers this guttal reaction.

Because it's a machine pretending to have experiences. It uses abstract phrasing by default in a way that people don't. So the output feels uncanny. Starting to see this all over reddit comments too. I don't know what the point of not writing your own comments is, other than spam.

>I don't know what the point of not writing your own comments is, other than spam.

I think it will reach to the point of "dogfooding".

Those who's not crafting their own comments will be treated as those who's not using their written software.

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

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Post by dleslie »

andrewstuart wrote: post #16
andrewl wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And then after you throw all your tools away you should buy my software.

I’d resign on the spot if my team lead told me to delete all IDEs and that coding is solved.

Nah, quiet quit. Orchestrate the agents to the degree necessary to keep your job, and no more. Use the free time to read a book.

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

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Post by dleslie »

pmarreck wrote: post #13

I do all my dev in CC now. Only occasionally review with an editor. CC is great at many things but one area it is still not great at is making GUI interactions look and work properly. Literally likely because it can neither see the GUI (without manual screenshot intervention) nor can it see it change over time. So if for example a progress indication is not working correctly, it will totally miss stuff like that.

I find it's often faster for me to finish the final 20% myself than to talk the agent into doing it for me; because too often the agent will start to eat its own tail, and spend far too long completing something that I find obvious.

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

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Post by contextfree »

dleslie wrote: post #28
pmarreck wrote: post #13

I do all my dev in CC now. Only occasionally review with an editor. CC is great at many things but one area it is still not great at is making GUI interactions look and work properly. Literally likely because it can neither see the GUI (without manual screenshot intervention) nor can it see it change over time. So if for example a progress indication is not working correctly, it will totally miss stuff like that.

I find it's often faster for me to finish the final 20% myself than to talk the agent into doing it for me; because too often the agent will start to eat its own tail, and spend far too long completing something that I find obvious.

Yes, and English/natural language is not necessarily more concise than programming languages, if you need to describe something precisely.

For example, I was recently trying to get an agent to debug something which was difficult to debug because it ran in an exotic context, where debuggers and logging and printf couldn't easily reach. The agent kept coming up with more and more elaborate and smart-sounding theories and debugging strategies, but nothing worked. I stupidly kept going with this for like 20 minutes, until finally I just went into an IDE, did a simple "comment bisection" where I commented stuff out until I found the line that was breaking, and found and fixed the problem in five minutes. So I solved it by typing code. The code I typed: "//" (in about six places). I could probably have gotten the agent to do the same thing but would have actually literally had to type more to explain to the agent what I wanted. In fact it took me longer to write this comment describing what I did here than it did to just do it.

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