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Iran Says It Hit Oracle Facilities in UAE

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Re: Iran Says It Hit Oracle Facilities in UAE

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Post by jacquesm »

shykes wrote: post #20
michaelt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Dubai government denies this strike happened In the UAE it's illegal to talk about the strikes, or post videos of them online. $55,000+ fine and 2+ years in prison. Over 100 people have already been arrested. When the two different governments said contradictory things, in other situations a journalist would arrange for a local correspondent to head over to the Oracle building and see if it's visibly damaged, m…

It's interesting, because I initially thought these restrictions in UAE were strictly because of operational security. That is why Israel and Ukraine, for example, also forbid posting images of missile impacts: it provides valuable targeting information to the enemy. In Israel the legal framework is military censorship; in Ukraine it's martial law. Enforcement against individuals is strong in Ukraine, and more select…

UAE has always been one of the more repressive government on the planet.

Re: Iran Says It Hit Oracle Facilities in UAE

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Post by jasomill »

yread wrote: post #17
reddozen wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...what? What does the UN have to do with war crimes lol. And why would the US care about war crimes we literally aren't signatory to the Rome statute. how could your comment get so many things wrong in so little text.

war crimes don't have anything to do with Rome, Rome is only about prosecution by ICC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

And while the US is a member of the UN and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice (not the ICC), as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, it also has the power to unilaterally veto any enforcement action (as do China, France, Russia, and the UK).

Re: Iran Says It Hit Oracle Facilities in UAE

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Post by [deleted] »

yread wrote: post #17
reddozen wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...what? What does the UN have to do with war crimes lol. And why would the US care about war crimes we literally aren't signatory to the Rome statute. how could your comment get so many things wrong in so little text.

war crimes don't have anything to do with Rome, Rome is only about prosecution by ICC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

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Re: Iran Says It Hit Oracle Facilities in UAE

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Post by reddozen »

jasomill wrote: post #22
yread wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

war crimes don't have anything to do with Rome, Rome is only about prosecution by ICC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

And while the US is a member of the UN and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice (not the ICC), as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, it also has the power to unilaterally veto any enforcement action (as do China, France, Russia, and the UK).

Ok? The ICC prosecutes war crimes in complementarity. The ICJ does not. Not sure what UN Security Council has to do with anything? I can't tell if this is AI. Add to your slop context you're probably thinking of IHL.

Re: Iran Says It Hit Oracle Facilities in UAE

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Post by reddozen »

yread wrote: post #17
reddozen wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...what? What does the UN have to do with war crimes lol. And why would the US care about war crimes we literally aren't signatory to the Rome statute. how could your comment get so many things wrong in so little text.

war crimes don't have anything to do with Rome, Rome is only about prosecution by ICC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

You do recognize the contradiction saying Rome Statute has nothing to do with war crimes, then saying Rome Statute is how you prosecute war crimes right?

Re: Iran Says It Hit Oracle Facilities in UAE

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Post by spwa4 »

reddozen wrote: post #24
jasomill wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And while the US is a member of the UN and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice (not the ICC), as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, it also has the power to unilaterally veto any enforcement action (as do China, France, Russia, and the UK).

Ok? The ICC prosecutes war crimes in complementarity. The ICJ does not. Not sure what UN Security Council has to do with anything? I can't tell if this is AI. Add to your slop context you're probably thinking of IHL.

What you are leaving out is that governments can choose whether the ICC definition of warcrime applies to their territory. Iran has chosen that the Rome treaty, and the ICC, does not apply to Iran. It has even used this fact to request the ICC drop cases against them.

We all know why: 99.99% of warcrimes on Iranian territory were committed by Iran's islamist regime.

So Rome statute warcrimes are a legal impossibility in Iran. The Rome statute, that law and that definition of warcrime does not apply to anything happening in Iran.

Re: Iran Says It Hit Oracle Facilities in UAE

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Post by Betelbuddy »

tristanj wrote: post #3

I believe this is fake. Iran repeatedly claims to have struck targets, without evidence to back it up. The Dubai government denies this strike happened https://gulfnews.com/uae/dubai-denies-reports-of-an-irgc-att... And the Oracle live status report webpage says everything is online, and there are no active incidents in Dubai. The history page reports no incidents in Dubai since the start of the conflict. https://oci…

Something confirmed: "UAE Confirms Debris Fell on Oracle Building in Dubai" - https://sundayguardianlive.com/world/us-isreal-iran-war-late...
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