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Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by kennywinker »

deaux wrote: post #12
pferdone wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They said in the last paragraph[0]: "[...] In the coming days, we will also open-source smaller-scale variants, reaffirming our commitment to accessibility and community-driven innovation. [...]" [0] https://qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen3.6#summary--future-work

> we will also open-source smaller-scale variants In other words, like GP said, this Qwen3.6-Plus model is not open-weight unlike the other Qwen models.

> unlike the other Qwen models

Please send the download link for qwen 3.5-plus.

Also, who cares? If you have the hardware to run a ~400b model i don’t think you count as a home user anymore.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by sidrag22 »

cubefox wrote: post #17
Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

> I think there is a moderately large market for models like this that aren’t quite SOTA level but can be served up much cheaper. There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best.

maybe there isnt, but as understanding grows people will understand that having an orchestration agent delegate simple work to lesser agents is significant not only for cost savings, but also for preserving context window space.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by Someone1234 »

cubefox wrote: post #17
Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

> I think there is a moderately large market for models like this that aren’t quite SOTA level but can be served up much cheaper. There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best.

> There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best.

For direct user interaction or coding problems, perhaps. But as API calls get cheaper, it becomes more realistic to use them for completely automated workflows against data-sets, or as sub-agents called from expensive SOTA models.

For example, in Claude, using Opus as an orchestrator to call Sonnet sub-agents, is a popular usage "hack." That only gets more powerful, as the Sonnet equivalent model gets cheaper. Now you can spawn entire teams of small specialized sub-agents with small context windows but limited scope.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by regularfry »

cubefox wrote: post #17
Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

> I think there is a moderately large market for models like this that aren’t quite SOTA level but can be served up much cheaper. There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best.

Everyone may want the best, but the amount of AI-addressable work outstrips the budget available for buying the best by quite a wide margin.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by joefourier »

cubefox wrote: post #17
Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

> I think there is a moderately large market for models like this that aren’t quite SOTA level but can be served up much cheaper. There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best.

Ever hit your daily limit on Claude Code and saw how expensive it is to pay per token?

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by the_pwner224 »

daft_pink wrote: post #13

Not really interested in using models hosted on alibaba cloud. Like Qwen local for it’s privacy, but I trust the privacy of Google/OpenAI/Anthropic more than alibaba.

I had the exact opposite reaction. I stopped using OpenAI/Google a while ago due to privacy and moved to local Qwen, now I'm considering using Alibaba cloud. You know Google and OpenAI are going to share everything with the US government and Western ad networks. But with Alibaba, who cares if the CCP & Chinese ad networks have a comprehensive profile on me? From a pragmatic perspective it's much better for (outcomes related to) privacy.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by dgb23 »

deaux wrote: post #12
pferdone wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They said in the last paragraph[0]: "[...] In the coming days, we will also open-source smaller-scale variants, reaffirming our commitment to accessibility and community-driven innovation. [...]" [0] https://qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen3.6#summary--future-work

> we will also open-source smaller-scale variants In other words, like GP said, this Qwen3.6-Plus model is not open-weight unlike the other Qwen models.

In a practical sense, I'm primarily interested in small to medium sized models being open. I think that might be common sentiment.

However, my hope is that there will be at least somewhat competitive big and open models as well, from an ethical/ideological perspective. These things were trained on data that was provided by people without their consent, so they should at least be be publicly accessible or even public domain.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by PhilippGille »

cubefox wrote: post #17
Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

> I think there is a moderately large market for models like this that aren’t quite SOTA level but can be served up much cheaper. There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best.

The OpenRouter usage stats indicate the opposite: https://openrouter.ai/rankings?view=month
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