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Apple removes iPhone vibe coding app from app store

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Re: Apple removes iPhone vibe coding app from app store

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

_alternator_ wrote: post #4

The real problem for Apple here: in the fairly near future, the model of pre-defined functionality of software will be obsolete. All apps will be vibe coded and customized. Individual apps will basically be silos that protect proprietary data sources that are difficult to collect. But they will be infinitely more configurable than they are today.

Is there an actual use-case for this fan-fiction-esque prediction of software that rewrites itself, or is this just promoting AI for the sake of promoting it only?

I get annoyed enough when software I use changes arbitrarily in ways that don't benefit me, I can't see LLM vibed software that changes itself based on what it thinks I need being an improvement at all. It just feels like it would be even more annoying.

Re: Apple removes iPhone vibe coding app from app store

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Post by circuit10 »

TSUTiger wrote: post #9
peddling-brink wrote: post #3

As I understand it, these apps allowed running custom code from the app, and that has always been disallowed.

there are terminal type apps in the app store though?

Not sure why this is downvoted, it's true:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ish-shell/id1436902243

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/a-shell/id1473805438

Re: Apple removes iPhone vibe coding app from app store

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Post by lostlogin »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #5

It’ll be interesting to see if Apple comes around on customization of apps in general, because hopefully that’ll soon be what users expect. In the world where users expect to be able to customize software more and more, apps start to look quite rigid and open platforms like the web that offer flexibility start to look more appealing. Imagine a Lovable-style PWA that morphs into the app you vibecoded by storing the ge…

> open platforms like the web

I winced. The threats to the open web at the moment are depressing.

Re: Apple removes iPhone vibe coding app from app store

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Post by szundi »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #5

It’ll be interesting to see if Apple comes around on customization of apps in general, because hopefully that’ll soon be what users expect. In the world where users expect to be able to customize software more and more, apps start to look quite rigid and open platforms like the web that offer flexibility start to look more appealing. Imagine a Lovable-style PWA that morphs into the app you vibecoded by storing the ge…

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Re: Apple removes iPhone vibe coding app from app store

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Post by qubidt »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #21
_alternator_ wrote: post #4

The real problem for Apple here: in the fairly near future, the model of pre-defined functionality of software will be obsolete. All apps will be vibe coded and customized. Individual apps will basically be silos that protect proprietary data sources that are difficult to collect. But they will be infinitely more configurable than they are today.

Is there an actual use-case for this fan-fiction-esque prediction of software that rewrites itself, or is this just promoting AI for the sake of promoting it only? I get annoyed enough when software I use changes arbitrarily in ways that don't benefit me, I can't see LLM vibed software that changes itself based on what it thinks I need being an improvement at all. It just feels like it would be even more annoying.

My ideal software: buggy in ways you can't diagnose, for reasons you can't intuit, reproducible by literally no one in the world, and with no one to file a bug report to

Re: Apple removes iPhone vibe coding app from app store

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Post by trillic »

echoangle wrote: post #20
peddling-brink wrote: post #3

As I understand it, these apps allowed running custom code from the app, and that has always been disallowed.

Maybe disallowed but definitely not enforced. There’s an app called Pythonista that has allowed you to run arbitrary python code for years.

I haven't been in the App Store ecosystem in a while, but the restriction is generally on running new Machine Code, all machine code needs to be signed on iOS. Interpreters get around this limitation, only the interpreter code that is compiled AoT and signed is actually running.

This tracks as the reasoning behind a lack of other browser engines, nobody can get comparable performance without a JIT, which would be compiling net new machine code that wasn't shipped with the binary.

The best way to handle this I would imagine within the current bounds of Apple's restrictions would be WASM.

Re: Apple removes iPhone vibe coding app from app store

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Post by ddlsmurf »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #5

It’ll be interesting to see if Apple comes around on customization of apps in general, because hopefully that’ll soon be what users expect. In the world where users expect to be able to customize software more and more, apps start to look quite rigid and open platforms like the web that offer flexibility start to look more appealing. Imagine a Lovable-style PWA that morphs into the app you vibecoded by storing the ge…

Linux and Windows have always been a lot more customisable, Apple always was the more "we know better than you what you want" company... And they weren't wrong enough

Re: Apple removes iPhone vibe coding app from app store

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Post by nozzlegear »

circuit10 wrote: post #22
TSUTiger wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there are terminal type apps in the app store though?

Not sure why this is downvoted, it's true: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ish-shell/id1436902243 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/a-shell/id1473805438

Those are terminal emulators, not actual terminals. You can't fork or exec on iOS/iPadOS, so they're not actually running e.g. a python process, they're just running python interpreter.

Re: Apple removes iPhone vibe coding app from app store

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

qubidt wrote: post #25
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there an actual use-case for this fan-fiction-esque prediction of software that rewrites itself, or is this just promoting AI for the sake of promoting it only? I get annoyed enough when software I use changes arbitrarily in ways that don't benefit me, I can't see LLM vibed software that changes itself based on what it thinks I need being an improvement at all. It just feels like it would be even more annoying.

My ideal software: buggy in ways you can't diagnose, for reasons you can't intuit, reproducible by literally no one in the world, and with no one to file a bug report to

I love the idea of all software everywhere involving a die roll. Sounds like it'll be even more infuriating than most computing is right now.

Re: Apple removes iPhone vibe coding app from app store

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Post by mentalgear »

Apple's huge problem here is - even though the get 50% more native app submissions this year - that these apps-in-apps (no matter how buggy they are) do not get them their predatory 30% Apple cut.

That being said, it is rumoured that Apple will make deal with the big one like Replit as long as these apps do not run on ios - they are going to keep profiting off that walled garden until it collapses.

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