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A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses

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Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses

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If a cop notices this, who gets the ticket? Asking because I’ve noticed Waymos starting to go above the speed limit now. They’re generally just matching the flow of traffic like everyone else, but it does raise the question: who gets fined? And if the fleet as a whole racks up more than 4 points in 12 months, would Waymo loose it's license similar to human drivers?

I remember when they told us that autonomous cars wouldn’t break laws and wouldn’t speed. I always felt this was just a strategy, and that soon enough fleet operators would turn up the dials on speed and aggressiveness. After all, the only people who can complain are the people outside the car, and they will be dead.

> turn up the dials on speed and aggressiveness

You literally cannot drive on public roads unless you match the speed, flow, and maneuvering of other traffic.

Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses

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> A preliminary report by the NTSB published in early March found that one ensuing incident, on January 12, occurred after a Waymo remote assistant, a Michigan-based human tasked with “helping” the software when it was struggling on the road, incorrectly told the robotaxi that the school bus ahead of it didn’t have active signals on. Six vehicles passed the school bus while it was stopped, the agency said. It is stil…

Stop making bad human drivers an excuse for these machines to also be bad drivers. We're striving to do better, that's the whole point.

Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses

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Just impound the vehicle and crush it. The free market will solve it. ;)

Don't forget to remove the battery first

Or leave it in there, and sell profitable tickets to the show.

Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when they told us that autonomous cars wouldn’t break laws and wouldn’t speed. I always felt this was just a strategy, and that soon enough fleet operators would turn up the dials on speed and aggressiveness. After all, the only people who can complain are the people outside the car, and they will be dead.

> turn up the dials on speed and aggressiveness You literally cannot drive on public roads unless you match the speed, flow, and maneuvering of other traffic.

Never been stuck behind someone doing 45 in a 55? Really?

You don’t have to speed. It’s a choice. You shouldn’t make the choice in the passing lane, though.

Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses

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> Waymo, Cummings says, “should not be allowed to operate around schools during school pickup and drop-off until they get this problem fixed and can demonstrate it with specific tests.” This commentor must misunderstand the situation. School busses regularly stop to pickup and drop off students on streets near where they live; and there's generally schools all around. If Waymos can't properly respond to school bus si…

If a cop notices this, who gets the ticket? Asking because I’ve noticed Waymos starting to go above the speed limit now. They’re generally just matching the flow of traffic like everyone else, but it does raise the question: who gets fined? And if the fleet as a whole racks up more than 4 points in 12 months, would Waymo loose it's license similar to human drivers?

> Asking because I’ve noticed Waymos starting to go above the speed limit now

Where at? Im curious because I see a lot of people say this, but Ive never seen them go more than 1mph over the limit when riding in them, and watch them do 65 on the freeway every day, even when people are passing.

Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses

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> Waymo, Cummings says, “should not be allowed to operate around schools during school pickup and drop-off until they get this problem fixed and can demonstrate it with specific tests.” This commentor must misunderstand the situation. School busses regularly stop to pickup and drop off students on streets near where they live; and there's generally schools all around. If Waymos can't properly respond to school bus si…

If a cop notices this, who gets the ticket? Asking because I’ve noticed Waymos starting to go above the speed limit now. They’re generally just matching the flow of traffic like everyone else, but it does raise the question: who gets fined? And if the fleet as a whole racks up more than 4 points in 12 months, would Waymo loose it's license similar to human drivers?

I saw a waymo go in a nonexistent rightmost lane at a stop light, I thought it was going to turn but it instead proceeded to go forward and force the driver in the actual rightmostlane to break to allow it to merge else it would have caused an accident as there was no lane in front of it.

This was on El Camino in Santa Clara. I was highly suprised as I was under the assumption they were pretty much production ready as they have been expanding their area a lot.

Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses

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$1,000 is not a meaningful amount of money to Google. Maybe if, based on the fact the entire fleet uses the same software, it is fined $1,000 per car in their fleet each time an incident occurs? Bear in mind $1,000 per incident is not enough money to justify paying a software developer to fix it.

Well, you can just treat them like they are anybody else. So, $1000 fine plus a point on the license of Waymo. And as suggested by another commenter in the thread, if the cars in the fleet (collectively) accumulate more than 4 points within 12 months, Waymo loses its license. As in, all cars operated by Waymo.

Is that how any corporate fleet works?

Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses

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So I assume Waymo will be immediately banned from any residential areas until they can demonstrate the ability to follow the laws of the road? The problem is there is zero enforcement. We know the vehicle is not safe around schoolchildren so the appropriate incentive needs to be applied to get the issue addressed.

> So I assume Waymo will be immediately banned from any residential areas until they can demonstrate the ability to follow the laws of the road?

Why do you apply a different standard to waymos than to humans?

Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses

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> Waymo, Cummings says, “should not be allowed to operate around schools during school pickup and drop-off until they get this problem fixed and can demonstrate it with specific tests.” This commentor must misunderstand the situation. School busses regularly stop to pickup and drop off students on streets near where they live; and there's generally schools all around. If Waymos can't properly respond to school bus si…

And school busses go all sorts of places carrying kids to field trips and sporting events. Along with police/fire/ambulances, school busses are just another special type of vehicle that ALL drivers must learn to deal with. If you cannot act properly around a school bus, you shouldnt be on the road.

(Funny story: i was in Ottawa over the winter. There, snow plows, ambulances and fire trucks all use blue flashing lights. I thought i was being pulled over by a giant police truck ... it was a snow plow that really did not appreciate me stopping on the side of the road. Yet another special case vehicle.)

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