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CERN uses ultra-compact AI models on FPGAs for real-time LHC data filtering

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Re: CERN uses ultra-compact AI models on FPGAs for real-time LHC data filtering

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A bit of hype in the AI wording here. This could be called a chip with hardcoded logic obtained with machine learning

Is a LLM logic in weights derived from machine learning?

Good one… but Is a DB query filter AI? I forgot to say though is sounds like a really cool thing to do

Re: CERN uses ultra-compact AI models on FPGAs for real-time LHC data filtering

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an LLM, it is a purpose built model. https://arxiv.org/html/2411.19506v1 5 years ago we would've called it a Machine Learning algorithm. 5 years before that, a Big Data algorithm.

We’ve been calling neural nets AI for decades. > 5 years before that, a Big Data algorithm. The DNN part? Absolutely not. I don’t know why people feel the need for such revisionism but AI has been a field encompassing things far more basic than this for longer than most commenters have been alive.

> AI has been a field encompassing things far more basic than this for longer than most commenters have been alive.

When I was 13, having just started programming, I picked up a book from a "junk bin" at a book store on Artificial Intelligence. It must have been from the mid-80s if not older.

It had an entire chapter on syllogism[1] and how to implement a program to spit them out based on user input. As I recall it basically amounted to some string exteaction assuming user followed a template and string concatenation to generate the result. I distinctly recall not being impressed about such a trivial thing being part of a book on AI.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism

Re: CERN uses ultra-compact AI models on FPGAs for real-time LHC data filtering

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They used a custom neural net with autoencoders, which contain convolutional layers. They trained it on previous experiment data.

https://arxiv.org/html/2411.19506v1

Why is it so hard to elaborate what AI algorithm / technique they integrate? Would have made this article much better

Re: CERN uses ultra-compact AI models on FPGAs for real-time LHC data filtering

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a LLM logic in weights derived from machine learning?

Good one… but Is a DB query filter AI? I forgot to say though is sounds like a really cool thing to do

Strictly speaking, expert systems are AI as well, as in, an expert comes up with a bunch of if/else rules. So yes technically speaking even if they didn’t acquire the weights using ML and hand-coded them, it could still be called AI.

Re: CERN uses ultra-compact AI models on FPGAs for real-time LHC data filtering

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Intuitively, I’ve always had an impression that using an analogue circuit would be feasible for neural networks (they just matrix multiplication!). These should provide instantaneous output.

Isn’t this kind of approach feasible for something so purpose-built?

Re: CERN uses ultra-compact AI models on FPGAs for real-time LHC data filtering

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a LLM logic in weights derived from machine learning?

Well, yes. That's literally what it is.

What what is? The article has nothing to do with LLMs. It even explicitly says they don’t use LLMs.
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