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Re: Vibe-Coded Ext4 for OpenBSD

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Post by jagged-chisel »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #7

> So as of today, the Copyright system does not have a way for the output of a non-human produced set of files to contain the grant of permissions which the OpenBSD project needs to perform combination and redistribution. This seems extremely confused. The copyright system does not have a way to grant these permissions because the material is not covered under copyright! You can distribute it at will, not due to any…

Eh … the argument will likely be things created by Thing at the behest of Author is owned by the Author. It’ll take a few cases going through the courts, or an Act of Congress to solidify this stuff.

Re: Vibe-Coded Ext4 for OpenBSD

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Post by scuff3d »

kvuj wrote: post #12
nurettin wrote: post #4

It is amusing to see that the only concern seems to be about a confusion around licensing, not the validity or maintainability of the code itself.

How is that different than a human writing the code? Whether an AI or a human wrote it, I would expect the same bar of validity/maintainability.

Because humans make design decisions, AI just bangs it's head against the problem until it gets something that "works".

Re: Vibe-Coded Ext4 for OpenBSD

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Post by wongarsu »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #5

Can someone just copyright wash Windows already.

The Windows 2000 and Windows XP sources are readily available and must have made it into the training data. But most software has dropped XP support. You really need at least some of the Win 8 and Win 10 APIs to claim compatibility with modern software, and I doubt claude has seen those from the inside

Re: Vibe-Coded Ext4 for OpenBSD

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

Well this is ironic, GPL advocate(s) declaring a clean implementation based on specifications infringing due to someone/something reading specs provided under license. Didn't Oracle lose that argument in court as pertains to Android implementation of Java libraries?

Re: Vibe-Coded Ext4 for OpenBSD

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Post by HappySweeney »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #21
FeepingCreature wrote: post #7

> So as of today, the Copyright system does not have a way for the output of a non-human produced set of files to contain the grant of permissions which the OpenBSD project needs to perform combination and redistribution. This seems extremely confused. The copyright system does not have a way to grant these permissions because the material is not covered under copyright! You can distribute it at will, not due to any…

Eh … the argument will likely be things created by Thing at the behest of Author is owned by the Author. It’ll take a few cases going through the courts, or an Act of Congress to solidify this stuff.

Haven't there already been a few cases, each of which found that mechanically-produced works are not copywritable?

Re: Vibe-Coded Ext4 for OpenBSD

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Post by corbet »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #24

Well this is ironic, GPL advocate(s) declaring a clean implementation based on specifications infringing due to someone/something reading specs provided under license. Didn't Oracle lose that argument in court as pertains to Android implementation of Java libraries?

I'm not sure what you're reading; there is a distinct lack of GPL advocates in that conversation.

Re: Vibe-Coded Ext4 for OpenBSD

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Post by whalesalad »

LeFantome wrote: post #3

Vibe coding and OpenBSD. The perfect combination.

I vibe-configured an Edgerouter 4 as a hot-drop box that would establish a secure tunnel and create a fake WAN for some servers that had to be temporarily pulled from service but remain operational in someones home garage. I overnight shipped it to them with two of the ports labeled, they plugged in home internet on one port, the rack on the other port, and it secure tunneled to a Linode VPS to get a public IP, circumventing all the Verizon home internet crap. I used OpenBSD. Claude did most of the work.

Re: Vibe-Coded Ext4 for OpenBSD

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Post by longislandguido »

~20 years ago, the Linux camp accused OpenBSD of importing GPL'd code (a wireless driver IIRC) and cried foul. The code was removed.

Fast forward to 2026, Theo says no to vibe-coded slop, prove to me your magic oracle LLM didn't ingest gobs of GPL code before spitting out an answer.

People are big mad of course, but you want me to believe Theo is the bad guy here for playing it conservatively?

Re: Vibe-Coded Ext4 for OpenBSD

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Post by hypeatei »

> This obsession with copyrights between different free software ecosystems - who put the lawyers in charge?

This comment on the article is spot on. I don't vibe code or care about AI really, but it's so exhausting to see people playing lawyer in threads about LLM-generated code. No one knows, a ton of people are using LLMs, the companies behind these models torrented content themselves, and why would you spend your time defending copyright / use it as a tool to spread FUD? Copyright is a made up concept that exists to kill competition and protect those who suck at executing on ideas.

Re: Vibe-Coded Ext4 for OpenBSD

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Post by ethin »

> Lacking Copyright (or similarily a Public Domain declaration by a human), we don't receive sufficient rights grants which would permit us to include it into the aggregate body of source code, without that aggregate body becoming less free than it is now.

Can someone explain this to me? I was under the impression that if a work of authorship was not copyrightable because it was AI generated and not authored by a human, it was in the public domain and therefore you could do whatever you wanted with it. Normal copyright restrictions would not apply here.

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