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Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Feature request: Make it default behavior on phones that you can have multiple passwords, connected to different profiles. With no way to determine how many profiles a phone have.

I'm sure there's some people here working on mobile operating systems, might be worth considering?

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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The horrible bastion of despotism that is China-run Hong Kong has now caught up to the rule of law utopias of enlightened thought in the US and UK.

>in the US and UK ??? Of all the issues with the US justice system, being compelled to disclose passwords isn't one of them. It is an issue for UK, though.

Depends, you can get NSL'd to disclose passwords. Good luck running that one up to the supreme court. And biometrics aren't as well-protected. Though, yes, in the UK it's a much more routine affair.

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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It would be nice if phones had a feature where you can define more than one pin, but only one is for your actual phone contents - the other ones leave you to a completely harmless but otherwise indistinguishable looking smartphone interface that contains no or only completely bogus data.

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Wow, what a free society! In the UK if you refuse to unlock your device you can be imprisoned indefinitely! In HK it's just one year!

Why are you misrepresenting about UK law? Yes, it can be a criminal offence. But the maximum tariff for this under RIPA 2000 is five years. If it’s not about nation security or CSAM, it’s two. (Incidentally, the USA is a real outlier in this topic)

Oh just 5 years, that's OK then.

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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The horrible bastion of despotism that is China-run Hong Kong has now caught up to the rule of law utopias of enlightened thought in the US and UK.

>in the US and UK ??? Of all the issues with the US justice system, being compelled to disclose passwords isn't one of them. It is an issue for UK, though.

The above probably meant a point that current democracies are increasingly sliding into the same hole as authoritarian governments. Amount on encroachment of governments and big corporations on personal freedoms and democracy in "democratic" countries is quickly becoming intolerable under a guise of safety and "save the children" mantras

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about the US? What I'm going to write smells of "whataboutism", but it's tragic how more and more of the world is becoming police states. Going to the USA, they want your social media accounts. Regardless of that, the border thugs can probably demand you unlock your devices or they'll detain you for weeks on end, without any repercussions, because that sort of lawlessness is government policy now.

In the US, not disclosing a password is explicitly protected (5th amndmnt), SCOTUS has been clear. not so for biometrics, but so for PIN/passwd

They have? What was the relevant case? It was my understanding that some lower courts have ruled one way, others the opposite. There are also many nuances in particular cases (e.g., the police wanting a broad search of a device for something that may or may not be there versus them knowing for a fact a device has certain information they want).

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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"Featured" on HN just a week ago, seems GrapheneOS' "Duress pin" would be very helpful in these cases: https://grapheneos.org/features#duress (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47445931).

Now we just have to wait N years for Android and iOS to get approval from the government to build something similar, that they can market yet somehow screw up enough to not actually help.

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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It would be nice if phones had a feature where you can define more than one pin, but only one is for your actual phone contents - the other ones leave you to a completely harmless but otherwise indistinguishable looking smartphone interface that contains no or only completely bogus data.

Almost every chinese android variant has that. On Oppo it’s called clone system

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're in a place called "Hacker" news, many of us hackers feel like we shouldn't be forced to unlock our private devices, not sure this is surprising.

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Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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The horrible bastion of despotism that is China-run Hong Kong has now caught up to the rule of law utopias of enlightened thought in the US and UK.

>in the US and UK ??? Of all the issues with the US justice system, being compelled to disclose passwords isn't one of them. It is an issue for UK, though.

> Of all the issues with the US justice system, being compelled to disclose passwords isn't one of them

Under the present administration I wouldn't be surprised if for example ICE tried the $5 wrench method.

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