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HandyMKV for MakeMKV and HandBrake Automation

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Re: HandyMKV for MakeMKV and HandBrake Automation

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Post by Lammy »

Lammy wrote: post #6
Dreami wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain why it ruins the DVD encodes? I like this community to learn stuff

It all comes down to the fact that DVD is more of an analog format than a digital one. I feel like people get “CD ripping brain” which causes them to think that the most desirable thing is making the most-accurate copy of what's on the disc. For CD that's true because PCM is PCM, but for DVD the thing we really want is the program material, which is three layers deep on a DVD: inside an NTSC video signal, which is di…

I just remembered that I have a non-infringing example encode I can share: PBS's “Code Rush — A Year in the Life of a Silicon Valley Supernova: Netscape” (2000)

Original PBS web page: https://web.archive.org/web/20000815055556/http://www.pbs.or...

A copy of this was released as an MPEG-4 Part 2 (not AAC/H.264!) MOV back in 2008 to commemorate the Firefox 3.0 release: https://waxy.org/2008/06/code_rush/

Then re-released and licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0: https://waxy.org/2009/07/code_rush_in_the_creative_commons/

  mega dot nz/file/QhtHzBZD#Z8eUnBgmk3lsjRgKQsiSaGD_gAnRgNY6FCk2rzrSisM

Re: HandyMKV for MakeMKV and HandBrake Automation

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Post by compsciphd »

gbil wrote: post #8
compsciphd wrote: post #5

IMO encoding is just not that worth it these days. Storage is relatively cheap. An 8TB HD can hold 200+ bluray discs as is (assuming we are talking 30-40TB each). Lets say encoding lets us store 400-600 movies in the same amount of storage (going to argue that this is stretch at quality). Is the $100-$200 savings worth the extra time spent (also computing/gpu electrical costs. There's a reasonable argument that the c…

> Storage is relatively cheap was! Even a plain - non NAS - HDD has increased 40%+ since 6 months ago

IMO, that just changes the calculation a bit. As I said, it depends on the quality one wants to store it at relative to size to determine how long it will take to encode / power consumed to encode.

Re: HandyMKV for MakeMKV and HandBrake Automation

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Post by compsciphd »

subscribed wrote: post #10
compsciphd wrote: post #5

IMO encoding is just not that worth it these days. Storage is relatively cheap. An 8TB HD can hold 200+ bluray discs as is (assuming we are talking 30-40TB each). Lets say encoding lets us store 400-600 movies in the same amount of storage (going to argue that this is stretch at quality). Is the $100-$200 savings worth the extra time spent (also computing/gpu electrical costs. There's a reasonable argument that the c…

Was. Plus what's the point in keeping ISO on the disk if I can have a convenient mkv/whatever with everything what's on it, _and_ everything recognises it, and it takes 1/20 - 1/4 space anyway?

1. easy enough to store it remuxed as an mkv (this tool first converts it to a remuxed mkv via makemkv) to get that convenience.

2. "easy enough" (this is a bit hyperbole, but i've done it) to take an iso and expose the playlists one wants as individual .m2ts files, and then everything recognizes it the same as mkv

did this using a fuse fs. drop all isos in a dir with a metadata file to list the playlists one wants exposed with how one wants them named, and the fuse fs turns each iso into a virtual directory populated by files named .m2ts that corresponds to the playlist you wanted for it (work for seamless branching as well).

3. if saving space is so important to you, yes, none of this will apply, I still think the energy costs need to be factored in, to understand how much money one is saving / spending to accomplish that space savings. If one is going to be storing a digital iso backup of the discs they purchase (or borrow), what I listed in #2 is the best overall.

Re: HandyMKV for MakeMKV and HandBrake Automation

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Post by c-hendricks »

compsciphd wrote: post #5

IMO encoding is just not that worth it these days. Storage is relatively cheap. An 8TB HD can hold 200+ bluray discs as is (assuming we are talking 30-40TB each). Lets say encoding lets us store 400-600 movies in the same amount of storage (going to argue that this is stretch at quality). Is the $100-$200 savings worth the extra time spent (also computing/gpu electrical costs. There's a reasonable argument that the c…

Feel like the encoding estimate is off by an order of magnitude. A few GB is decent enough quality, you're looking at 2-4 thousand.

Re: HandyMKV for MakeMKV and HandBrake Automation

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Post by compsciphd »

c-hendricks wrote: post #24
compsciphd wrote: post #5

IMO encoding is just not that worth it these days. Storage is relatively cheap. An 8TB HD can hold 200+ bluray discs as is (assuming we are talking 30-40TB each). Lets say encoding lets us store 400-600 movies in the same amount of storage (going to argue that this is stretch at quality). Is the $100-$200 savings worth the extra time spent (also computing/gpu electrical costs. There's a reasonable argument that the c…

Feel like the encoding estimate is off by an order of magnitude. A few GB is decent enough quality, you're looking at 2-4 thousand.

I disagree. But to each their own, also depends how one watches it. a truehd atmos audio stream for a movie can be 3-4GB by itself. Of course, for many perhaps a TrueHD atmos audio stream is overkill, but for many its not.

Re: HandyMKV for MakeMKV and HandBrake Automation

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Post by c-hendricks »

compsciphd wrote: post #25
c-hendricks wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feel like the encoding estimate is off by an order of magnitude. A few GB is decent enough quality, you're looking at 2-4 thousand.

I disagree. But to each their own, also depends how one watches it. a truehd atmos audio stream for a movie can be 3-4GB by itself. Of course, for many perhaps a TrueHD atmos audio stream is overkill, but for many its not.

To each their own indeed, I definitely don't think a statement like

> encoding is just not that worth it these days

applies to people watching backed up media. The vast majority are fine with encodes.

Re: HandyMKV for MakeMKV and HandBrake Automation

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Post by compsciphd »

c-hendricks wrote: post #26
compsciphd wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. But to each their own, also depends how one watches it. a truehd atmos audio stream for a movie can be 3-4GB by itself. Of course, for many perhaps a TrueHD atmos audio stream is overkill, but for many its not.

To each their own indeed, I definitely don't think a statement like > encoding is just not that worth it these days applies to people watching backed up media. The vast majority are fine with encodes.

If one is going to store the originals anyways (i.e. the ISO images one backs up from disc), then I'd still stand by my statement, you're not saving anything by encoding it then, beyond perhaps limitations in how much storage one can keep online at a time (and in that context then, my initial statement of storage being cheap further applies, as one is saving the same content twice).

If one is just download encodes off of usenet so doesn't have the originals, and one is content with the limitations of encodes, great. But here we are talking about tools for people who are encoding their own media (and sadly, from personal experience, I consider backed up ISOs to have a longer shelf life than many of optical discs, I have media I backed up 20 years ago now that still works, while the optical discs have degraded. Hard Disks die as well, but there are effective means of mitigating that).

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