It’s garbage either way.
On that note, do we have an open standard for OS implementations? Where the fuck is our modern scratch made OS written in Rust?
It’s about time we topple this shitty triopoly.
No, Windows Start does not use React
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Re: No, Windows Start does not use React
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly this. And it is on a portion of the Start menu that can be fully disabled. Heck, my start menu looks like the Windows 10 start menu (yes, this is OOTB) as I wasn't fond of the "new" look of the Windows 11 start menu. But we'll always hear "it's React!". Like most things, the masses must feed on the Internet outrage without critical thought.
> And it is on a portion of the Start menu that can be fully disabled. I mean, with tons of effort and config Windows can be turned into a usable OS. Needing to do all that is a huge part of the problem.
If you deem a couple of clicks "tons of effort", don't touch macOS!
Re: No, Windows Start does not use React
#23> This is the Windows 11 start menu. See that Recommended section at the bottom of it? That is built with React Native for Windows. No, that is not a full JavaScript framework in your start menu. There’s no web view / browser running gobbling up your resources. It’s React Native for Windows which is a flavor of React Native that directly calls Windows APIs including, you guessed it, WinUI 3. I would still say that me…
React Native, absolutely - as with Office 365, using WinUI 3 as the underlying UI layer.
When did office start using React Native? Office has been around well before the creation of javascript, let alone react.
Re: No, Windows Start does not use React
#24It’s garbage either way. On that note, do we have an open standard for OS implementations? Where the fuck is our modern scratch made OS written in Rust? It’s about time we topple this shitty triopoly.
Go build it.
Re: No, Windows Start does not use React
#25It’s garbage either way. On that note, do we have an open standard for OS implementations? Where the fuck is our modern scratch made OS written in Rust? It’s about time we topple this shitty triopoly.
So you're asking for a bug-filled, unstable, feature-less OS?
Because that's what you get when you start from scratch.
Re: No, Windows Start does not use React
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That is built with React Native for Windows. No, that is not a full JavaScript framework in your start menu. This is incorrect. It is a full JavaScript framework in your start menu. I don't see your read that it's about ram-hungry web views either. To me, "Start menu uses React" is a dig that Microsoft is so uncommitted to it's native development platform that they (partially) don't use it in one of the most 'core'…
Shouldn't devs be allowed to select what they feel is the "best" choice for a given component? While I wouldn't expect to see a SwiftUI in Windows from Microsoft, Microsoft hasn't been adverse to various NIH web frameworks for quite some time now. If it fits and meets the goals of the project, why not?
If Microsoft developers' "best" choice for a tiny UI component like this is not it's flagship native UI framework, then that's a problem for Microsoft. That is the criticism.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shouldn't devs be allowed to select what they feel is the "best" choice for a given component? While I wouldn't expect to see a SwiftUI in Windows from Microsoft, Microsoft hasn't been adverse to various NIH web frameworks for quite some time now. If it fits and meets the goals of the project, why not?
If Microsoft developers' "best" choice for a tiny UI component like this is not it's flagship native UI framework, then that's a problem for Microsoft. That is the criticism.
You have inside knowledge of why React Native was chosen?
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#28The amount of misinformation that spreads from a single tweet or blog post is insane. Someone says "Windows uses React" and suddenly it's gospel. The actual XAML Islands explanation makes way more sense from a performance standpoint. Microsoft has been using XAML for their UI framework for years, why would they switch to React for something as performance-critical as the Start menu?
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#29>Windows Start does not use React Ok >This is the part of the Windows Start that uses React. Ok
The whole UI situation in Windows is absolutely ludicrous.
Is the recommendations panel in the start menu, which nobody actually wants to begin with, really so complicated that it justifies bringing in a JS runtime?
And is C# and WinUI really so hard to use that they can’t just make it with that?
And if WinUI is hard to use, maybe they should like.. make it better?
At least Apple had the decency to take the React paradigm and turn it into a native part of their development platform with SwiftUI, even if the implementation has been a bit rough around the edges.
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#30The weirdest thing about this (which is frankly bizarre) is Microsoft emphatically shilling React Native for MacOS[1] usage (???). Like, wtf? Why? Not only is it embarassing for MS to be using another competing company's (Facebook's) UI layer when they're, you know, an operating system company. But they're also pushing it for competing operating systems. What idiotic PM signed off on this? How in the world does Microsoft benefit out of promulgating Facebook's technology?
[1] https://microsoft.github.io/react-native-macos/docs/intro