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Dobase – Open-source, self-hosted workspace with installable tools

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Re: Dobase – Open-source, self-hosted workspace with installable tools

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Post by Jnr »

anilgulecha wrote: post #9

IMO we need more sovereign systems like this (this is too simple IMO). Other sovereign systems are complex to deploy. if good FOSS commodity options come up, then we can expect a hosting/deployment infra and companies to setup and offer it for non self-hosters as well - ala WordPress.

Except this is not FOSS. If it was open source, they would have chosen at least AGPL.

And also I don't think their architecture is any good for such a product.

For me personally, it would be sufficient to avoid it based on the license alone. But altogether it just looks very unappealing.

Re: Dobase – Open-source, self-hosted workspace with installable tools

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Post by gardnr »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #20
nick-sta wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the issue - the creator is reserving the right to create their own paid hosted version?

That's absolutely fine for them, but they shouldn't call it "Open-source" and "Fully open source" (like they do on the linked page). This software is source-available. Open Source licenses don't discriminate on the basis use of the software. Using the term Open Source for license like this is dishonest. It seeks to profit from the goodwill from actual Open Source software.

I appreciate your view but consensus reality does not agree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

Re: Dobase – Open-source, self-hosted workspace with installable tools

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Post by EvanAnderson »

gardnr wrote: post #22
EvanAnderson wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's absolutely fine for them, but they shouldn't call it "Open-source" and "Fully open source" (like they do on the linked page). This software is source-available. Open Source licenses don't discriminate on the basis use of the software. Using the term Open Source for license like this is dishonest. It seeks to profit from the goodwill from actual Open Source software.

I appreciate your view but consensus reality does not agree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

I can link to community-edited articles, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Definition

We make the consensus reality. I'm part of the faction that wants this particular reality, so I advocate for it.

Re: Dobase – Open-source, self-hosted workspace with installable tools

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Post by eudoxus »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #23
gardnr wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate your view but consensus reality does not agree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

I can link to community-edited articles, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Definition We make the consensus reality. I'm part of the faction that wants this particular reality, so I advocate for it.

OSD !== Open Source. All OSD is Open Source, not all Open Source is OSD. You are free to disagree, but the OSI has chosen (more accurately forced to choose) very explicitly to only define and trademark OSD. There's really not much more to the conversation then that.

Re: Dobase – Open-source, self-hosted workspace with installable tools

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Post by rock_artist »

yellowapple wrote: post #14

> No licensee or downstream recipient may use the Software (including any modified or derivative versions) to directly compete with the original Licensor by offering it to third parties as a hosted, managed, or Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) product or cloud service where the primary value of the service is the functionality of the Software itself. No thanks. These “almost-but-not-quite-FOSS” licenses are a blight.

The confusing thing for me related to that was Try Free which leads me to look for pricing. But with only Try free I get suspicious of even private or small team.

If it’s free for use. Try is a confusing term.

Off topic, I’d really wish any service or product with tiers would have pricing in a discoverable way.

Re: Dobase – Open-source, self-hosted workspace with installable tools

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Post by ptman »

yellowapple wrote: post #14

> No licensee or downstream recipient may use the Software (including any modified or derivative versions) to directly compete with the original Licensor by offering it to third parties as a hosted, managed, or Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) product or cloud service where the primary value of the service is the functionality of the Software itself. No thanks. These “almost-but-not-quite-FOSS” licenses are a blight.

Some will argue that it is Open Source. But Open Source came from commercial interests against Free Software.

It's clearly not free software, since the user freedom is restricted.

It's not libre, since that also refers to freedoms.

It's not really Open Source.

Source-Available has been used to describe this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software

Re: Dobase – Open-source, self-hosted workspace with installable tools

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Post by kkfx »

anilgulecha wrote: post #9

IMO we need more sovereign systems like this (this is too simple IMO). Other sovereign systems are complex to deploy. if good FOSS commodity options come up, then we can expect a hosting/deployment infra and companies to setup and offer it for non self-hosters as well - ala WordPress.

Since we have a single mind, we need "everything apps", this one shows various issues but the idea of an everything app is damm good.

Re: Dobase – Open-source, self-hosted workspace with installable tools

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Post by ramon156 »

samdixon wrote: post #4

Clickup is kinda like this (trash software btw) where it combines all these things. Its super cumbersome to deal with all of them in the same UI. For example, you will be chatting with someone, need to look at ticket, you have to completely leave the context of the chat to find the ticket. Yeah you can have multiple tabs, but still cumbersome. Would rather have a chat app for chat, documentation in documentation... s…

Has anyons (except 37sign) used Basecamp in a small/medium/large corp? I'm really curious how well it works

Re: Dobase – Open-source, self-hosted workspace with installable tools

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Post by esquire_900 »

This seems exactly not what you want. If fully invested in this, you never have the freedom to switch tools, ie go to a different team chat solution. The benefits of having these apps in one UI / ecosystem are relatively small: files - teamchat makes sense, but todo-email, kanban-recpies doesn't add any value.

Like samdixon mentions with ClickUp, the downside is quite large UX wise: you'd be constantly switching context witin dobase. Having 10 pinned tabs for all your tools is very convenient, checking a todo while working on an email in dobase feels messy.

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