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OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Yes, yes it is. And it's amaaaazing. We're going to have lots of sharp edges getting stuff like this secured, but it is not going to go away. Too useful.

What are your uses for it? If you don't mind sharing.

I wonder about this as well. I see people breathlessly talking about how it manages their inbox or checks flight statuses, but how often should you need a bot for these things?

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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> Separate Accounts for your OpenClaw > As I have mentioned, treat OpenClaw as a separate entity. So, give it its own Gmail account, Calendar, and every integration possible. And teach it to access its own email and other accounts. In addition, create a separate 1Password account to store credentials. It’s akin to having a personal assistant with a separate identity, rather than an automation tool. The whole point of…

I wonder how many inherently unsolvable problems have been fixed before.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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post #17

Responding to the tweet quoted in the article: why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting. Doing this manually is already pretty trivial, it's more productivity theatre than genuinely life-changing. There are real, impressive examples of the power of agentic flows out there. Can we up the quality of our examples just a bit?

For example?

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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post #17

Responding to the tweet quoted in the article: why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting. Doing this manually is already pretty trivial, it's more productivity theatre than genuinely life-changing. There are real, impressive examples of the power of agentic flows out there. Can we up the quality of our examples just a bit?

> Can we up the quality of our examples just a bit?

No.

And there’s mundane answers why.

People used to talk about phone home screens, back in the day, every iPhone had 16 spots

It became wisdom everyone had the same 12 apps but then there were 4 that that were core for you and where most of your use went, but they were different apps from everyone else.

So it goes for agent demos.

Another reason: every agentic flow is a series of mundane steps that can be rounded to mundane and easy to do yourself. Value depends on how often you have to repeat them. If I have to book a flight once every year, I don’t need it and it’s mundane.

There’s no life changing demo out there that someone won’t reply dismissively to. If there was, you’d see them somewhere, no? It’s been years of LLMs now.

Put most bluntly: when faced with a contradiction, first, check your premises. The contradiction here being, everyone else doesn’t understand their agent demos are boring and if just one person finally put a little work and imagination into it, they’d be life changing.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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post #7
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a play on Taylor Swift lyric I think - “Cause, darling, I'm a nightmare dressed like a daydream“ (Blank Space)

Just the sort of clever word play an algorithm would come up with!

Very well could be.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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post #17

Responding to the tweet quoted in the article: why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting. Doing this manually is already pretty trivial, it's more productivity theatre than genuinely life-changing. There are real, impressive examples of the power of agentic flows out there. Can we up the quality of our examples just a bit?

Have you seen how bad flight booking sites can get? I've had to download airline apps a majority of the time because the website failed to finish payment properly.

I don't think we should call presentations visionless or fault them for wanting to solve this UX nightmare.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Not just OpenClaw. Anyone giving an LLM direct access to the system is completely irresponsible. You can't trust what it will do, because it has no understanding. But people don't give a shit, gotta go fast - even if they are going in a bad direction.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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post #22

> Separate Accounts for your OpenClaw > As I have mentioned, treat OpenClaw as a separate entity. So, give it its own Gmail account, Calendar, and every integration possible. And teach it to access its own email and other accounts. In addition, create a separate 1Password account to store credentials. It’s akin to having a personal assistant with a separate identity, rather than an automation tool. The whole point of…

I wonder how many inherently unsolvable problems have been fixed before.

Human make error too, but we held them liable for lots of the mistakes they make.

Can we make the agent liable? or the company behind the model liable?

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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post #17

Responding to the tweet quoted in the article: why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting. Doing this manually is already pretty trivial, it's more productivity theatre than genuinely life-changing. There are real, impressive examples of the power of agentic flows out there. Can we up the quality of our examples just a bit?

The dream of the middle class IT drone is to become the executive Office Man: he shouts at his PA and she books his flights.

Now AI can provide a simulacrum of his fondest aspiration, to be too important to click through booking.com and make someone else do it for him.

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