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Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Post by epolanski »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #4

Crazy how we (the US) just decided as a society that gambling was not only not illegal anymore but that it was perfectly reasonable to integrate it deeply into every sporting event possible in a span of about five years. We didn't decide that, btw.

And not just sports, but world events where insiders can have the financial incentives to make terrible things happen.

But say that, and the same non sensical asinine crowd that spammed about crypto future or NFTs will tell you that's just to have more accurate information and you don't get it.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

snarfy wrote: post #11
kelseyfrog wrote: post #7

If it's so bad for gamblers, why don't they stop? If gambling orgs do something that you know causes harm, why isn't the a legal sense of responsibility?

> If it's so bad for gamblers, why don't they stop? That's not how addiction works.

If someone cannot stop gambling, then what moral responsibility do gambling organizations have when giving them offers?

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Post by joecool1029 »

epolanski wrote: post #16
jazzpush2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's everywhere on YouTube, usually as a 'hidden' ad in the alt-right manosphere (e.g. the recent Nick Shirley video he wears a sweatshirt for a gambling site throughout, with constant name drops of it that aren't over ads). Disgusting behavior, especially coming from those who often claim their content is to improve things. Hypocrites across the board.

I see Kalshi promoted on many sports highlights videos on YouTube.

Makes sense, it’s high in protein.

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Post by cjcenizal »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #22
snarfy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's so bad for gamblers, why don't they stop? That's not how addiction works.

If someone cannot stop gambling, then what moral responsibility do gambling organizations have when giving them offers?

I understand moral arguments but also see how others might not. I think it might be more useful to view this from a societal perspective. Is it to society's benefit to ensure gamblers don't ruin their own lives? To answer that question, what's the cost to society when a gambler ruins their life?

Lost savings means an impoverished individual and potentially an impoverished family and children. These draw support resources from the state and community, are more likely to turn to crime, and are less likely to develop into contributing members of society.

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Post by santoshalper »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #22
snarfy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's so bad for gamblers, why don't they stop? That's not how addiction works.

If someone cannot stop gambling, then what moral responsibility do gambling organizations have when giving them offers?

Only the moral obligation not to prey on the weak. Gambling addicts are sick. Taking advantage of a sick person makes you scummy.

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Post by Bratmon »

beloch wrote: post #8

>“Although the findings relate to direct marketing, I see no reason why the same or similar adverse effects wouldn’t occur for gambling advertising on TV or social media.” Controlling/banning advertising for Alcohol and Tobacco results in significant health benefits. Sports gambling used to be illegal in many places or limited to specific places. Now that it's available in your pocket, like a pack of smokes or a flas…

Greater New Orleans Broadcasting Association, Inc. v. United States (1999) makes it illegal for the government to ban advertising of legal gambling in the US.

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Post by santoshalper »

Invictus0 wrote: post #17

why can't we have a law that just caps your gambling losses? Everyone gets a federally issued gambling license tied to your ID, if you lose more than X amount the casino is no longer legally allowed to let you play. Casual gamblers can still enjoy, problem gamblers get cut off; just like with alcohol at the bar.

For the same reason it isn't outlawed to begin with. It makes some wealthy, influential people even wealthier. They, not we, control our government.

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Post by quickthrowman »

Invictus0 wrote: post #17

why can't we have a law that just caps your gambling losses? Everyone gets a federally issued gambling license tied to your ID, if you lose more than X amount the casino is no longer legally allowed to let you play. Casual gamblers can still enjoy, problem gamblers get cut off; just like with alcohol at the bar.

Someone could create a market where problem gamblers can buy wagering power (the ability to risk more after reaching their own loss cap) from non-gamblers unless you force physical in person gambling with ID checks.

Gambling should return to being legal in Vegas and on reservations, 24/7 gambling anywhere is very problematic.

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Post by sd9 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #22
snarfy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's so bad for gamblers, why don't they stop? That's not how addiction works.

If someone cannot stop gambling, then what moral responsibility do gambling organizations have when giving them offers?

If you were friends with an alcoholic it would be pretty shitty to give them a bottle of vodka for their birthday.

People are not machines, it’s not as simple as deciding whether to do something or not. You have stronger and weaker days. Temptation makes it harder to do what is in your best interests, even if you’ve decided on another day that you’d rather not partake.

Getting concrete about gambling: lots of people decide not to gamble and just don’t. Lots of people decide they don’t care whether they gamble and they do. But there are also many people in the middle, who would rather not gamble, but find that they sometimes act against their own best interests, and their own past resolutions to not gamble. Bombarding these people with offers of free bets increases the likelihood that they will gamble on their weaker days.

When I hear takes like yours, I feel very jealous. I would love to always act in my own best interests and according to some policy I predetermined. But that’s just not my experience of how life works.

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