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Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Post by rapsey »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #11
sebmellen wrote: post #6

“Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia” But on a more serious non-political note, what is the end game here? It's not hard to see a future with a barren and destroyed landscape of Middle Eastern energy infrastructure, where neither the Gulf states nor Iran can reliably produce and export their energy due to continual risk. The US can never fully defang Iran, unless it…

that's a huge boon for US dominance actually. Exporting oil for $$$, china having no way to get massive quantities of cheap oil, etc.

ConocoPhillips and Exxon just announced a 20 billion hit due to attacks. No one will leave this thing unscathed.

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Post by calvinmorrison »

bdangubic wrote: post #20
calvinmorrison wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's a huge boon for US dominance actually. Exporting oil for $$$, china having no way to get massive quantities of cheap oil, etc.

China will be just fine mate :) They are smartly just watching US destroy itself from within and outside and chillin'

They have a heavy dependence on imported crude from the middle east, and their alternative sources like pipelines from russia do not have enough to cover them, their domestic resources are max tapped and thier strategic supply cannot last for an extended period.

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Post by alex_suzuki »

dessimus wrote: post #18
alex_suzuki wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least it’s “ahead of schedule”!

Is it? Haven't seen POTUS on a carrier flight deck with a "Mission Accomplished" banner yet, so we got at least 15 years of war ahead.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c24d410m3g4t?post=asset%3A0575...

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Post by SirFatty »

throw310822 wrote: post #19
sebmellen wrote: post #6

“Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia” But on a more serious non-political note, what is the end game here? It's not hard to see a future with a barren and destroyed landscape of Middle Eastern energy infrastructure, where neither the Gulf states nor Iran can reliably produce and export their energy due to continual risk. The US can never fully defang Iran, unless it…

The endgame is a wasteland of miserable neighbours that Israel can control, occupy and plunder without encountering any resistance. As for the US, they are not in control of their own actions, they're a puppet moved by Israel.

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Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Post by Gud »

sebmellen wrote: post #6

“Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia” But on a more serious non-political note, what is the end game here? It's not hard to see a future with a barren and destroyed landscape of Middle Eastern energy infrastructure, where neither the Gulf states nor Iran can reliably produce and export their energy due to continual risk. The US can never fully defang Iran, unless it…

I agree with what you just said except, the leadership structure in Iran is absolutely not “decapitated”.

There is a loooooooooooooooooooooong queue to pick up the torch.

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Post by Gud »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #23
bdangubic wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China will be just fine mate :) They are smartly just watching US destroy itself from within and outside and chillin'

They have a heavy dependence on imported crude from the middle east, and their alternative sources like pipelines from russia do not have enough to cover them, their domestic resources are max tapped and thier strategic supply cannot last for an extended period.

Which will resume trading in Yuan. Anyone who bends the knee, will get to buy oil.

But not the US, and not in dollars. Serious 20D chess, it’s so genius it’s incomprehensible.

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Post by cheney_2004 »

SirFatty wrote: post #25
throw310822 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The endgame is a wasteland of miserable neighbours that Israel can control, occupy and plunder without encountering any resistance. As for the US, they are not in control of their own actions, they're a puppet moved by Israel.

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Well, Isreal has already destroyed several of their neighbors. Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Gaza, now Iran. Infact, Israel was born out of extreme and mass violence (1948). I would be fearful too... maybe its time for peace?

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Post by spwa4 »

sebmellen wrote: post #6

“Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia” But on a more serious non-political note, what is the end game here? It's not hard to see a future with a barren and destroyed landscape of Middle Eastern energy infrastructure, where neither the Gulf states nor Iran can reliably produce and export their energy due to continual risk. The US can never fully defang Iran, unless it…

I know I'm going to get destroyed for this, but:

1) It's the current Iranian state has always been at war. They are at war with "the little Satan" (Israel) and "the Big Satan" (US). I know this sounds like a joke but they're absolutely 100% serious.

Serious enough to organize massacres ("terrorism") on unrelated individuals, like the Argentina bombing in the beginning and the Hezbollah massacres in Syria just last year.

And yes, there was a time of military cooperation between Iran and Israel (just after the beginning. Israel was instrumental and helped Iran avoid getting conquered by Iraq/Saddam Hussein and got intelligence on the Iraqi nuclear program in return). This has not changed anything for the ayatollahs.

And btw: the Soviet Union has had a much similar experience. They helped the mullahs get to power, helped defend against Iraq, and got an enemy in return, because the mullahs ... well presumably they saw what was happening in Afghanistan.

2) Blocking of the strait of Hormuz by Iran did not start when the current war started. Iran has always created problems for ships' passage through the strait. It has obviously been 10x'ed as a result of the recent aggression, but it's not like they left it alone before.

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