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Re: The Fight

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Post by [deleted] »

rmc wrote: post #15
pdx wrote: post #5

For those of you who haven't had a CPR refresher in a few years, they now heavily promote the use of AED's [Automated external defibrillator]. The prognosis for recovery after CPR alone is in the single digits and moves well, well into the double digits if supplemented with an AED. Gyms, schools, and works areas should all have a $1000.00 AED onsite. I was surprised that he had to wait for the ambulance to arrive bef…

Remember things like this when people complain about "modern Health and Safety red tape". "Oh we need to have a this and a that and failed out inspection! Get off our back, let me create jobs." This shit saves lives.

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Re: The Fight

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Post by shocks »

A very close friend was in a car accident that put him in a category 3 (GCS) coma for two weeks. Worst two weeks of my life... Until my girlfriend was electrocuted and hospitalised for two weeks barely able to move her body. Worst two weeks of my life... Until I lost a close friend overnight. Bam. Gone. Forever.

Life is meant to be lived. Unfortunately, that is a lesson you can only learn by yourself.

Re: The Fight

#23

Post by pdx »

Jare wrote: post #19
pdx wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody wants to live in a world where people find a dying person laying on the floor and let him die because they're afraid of legal issues. The law protects you from such nonsense. Even if it didn't, in my opinion, no person worth a damn would allow that consideration to color their response.

A few months ago there was an incident in China where a young girl was run over by a truck while crossing a street. Nobody stepped in to help, precisely because they were afraid of the legal consequences. The entire thing was recorded on video, and it got a lot of exposure. It was horrific, the kind of thing one wishes you had never seen or heard about. On the other hand, and thankfully this was a much minor event, m…

I just watched it, after googling for it. As a dad, I'm sick and want to go home and hug my kids. I can't understand how these people lost their humanity, but I've certainly lost mine towards them.

Re: The Fight

#24

Post by ryanwaggoner »

rmc wrote: post #15
pdx wrote: post #5

For those of you who haven't had a CPR refresher in a few years, they now heavily promote the use of AED's [Automated external defibrillator]. The prognosis for recovery after CPR alone is in the single digits and moves well, well into the double digits if supplemented with an AED. Gyms, schools, and works areas should all have a $1000.00 AED onsite. I was surprised that he had to wait for the ambulance to arrive bef…

Remember things like this when people complain about "modern Health and Safety red tape". "Oh we need to have a this and a that and failed out inspection! Get off our back, let me create jobs." This shit saves lives.

This is the equivalent of "think of the children!"

Not everything that supposedly saves lives is worthy of being enshrined into law.

Re: The Fight

#25

Post by ryanwaggoner »

tomhoward wrote: post #17

It's a great post, but to me there's another message that Dustin - understandably - hasn't focused on: "perfect health" is often (usually?) an illusion. Given what I've learned about health in recent years, I can't accept that this guy really was in perfect health; if he was, he wouldn't have suffered a major cardiac arrest while simply jogging on a treadmill. I think it's mostly a failure of modern medicine and mode…

I can't accept that this guy really was in perfect health; if he was, he wouldn't have suffered a major cardiac arrest while simply jogging on a treadmill.

That may or may not be the case. I suspect that the vast majority of cases of sudden cardiac arrest are attributable to risk factors, but probably not all. Our bodies are pretty incredible, but not perfect. Sometimes they just malfunction.

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Post by philwelch »

pdx wrote: post #9
grannyg00se wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the legalities involved here? If you attempt to help are you opening yourself up to potential blame and legal action? What about DNR wishes the person may or may not have, or religious beliefs?

Nobody wants to live in a world where people find a dying person laying on the floor and let him die because they're afraid of legal issues. The law protects you from such nonsense. Even if it didn't, in my opinion, no person worth a damn would allow that consideration to color their response.

Counterpoint and proviso: know what the hell you are doing. It's easily possible to do more harm than good if you don't know better.

For example, whenever a motorcyclist gets into a crash, people get the bright idea that they need to get the helmet off. No, the helmet is bracing their neck, which may very well be badly injured, so sometimes if you just pull it off, now the guy's a quadriplegic, and since you were just "trying to help", the law shields you from legal responsibility even though you just crippled someone for life.

Re: The Fight

#27

Post by pmorici »

rmc wrote: post #15
pdx wrote: post #5

For those of you who haven't had a CPR refresher in a few years, they now heavily promote the use of AED's [Automated external defibrillator]. The prognosis for recovery after CPR alone is in the single digits and moves well, well into the double digits if supplemented with an AED. Gyms, schools, and works areas should all have a $1000.00 AED onsite. I was surprised that he had to wait for the ambulance to arrive bef…

Remember things like this when people complain about "modern Health and Safety red tape". "Oh we need to have a this and a that and failed out inspection! Get off our back, let me create jobs." This shit saves lives.

So do you practice what you preach and carry one of these with you where ever you go, or in your vehicle? If not then why do you feel the government should impose that on a business? Why not make a law that says every business has to have a trained EMT on site during business hours. I'm sure that would save even more lives...

Re: The Fight

#28

Post by apawloski »

Jare wrote: post #19
pdx wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody wants to live in a world where people find a dying person laying on the floor and let him die because they're afraid of legal issues. The law protects you from such nonsense. Even if it didn't, in my opinion, no person worth a damn would allow that consideration to color their response.

A few months ago there was an incident in China where a young girl was run over by a truck while crossing a street. Nobody stepped in to help, precisely because they were afraid of the legal consequences. The entire thing was recorded on video, and it got a lot of exposure. It was horrific, the kind of thing one wishes you had never seen or heard about. On the other hand, and thankfully this was a much minor event, m…

Can't speak about China, but most states in the US have laws to protect people with the proper training from legal exposure (for example if you're giving proper CPR and break a patient's ribs). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law#United_State...

Re: The Fight

#29

Post by tomhoward »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #25
tomhoward wrote: post #17

It's a great post, but to me there's another message that Dustin - understandably - hasn't focused on: "perfect health" is often (usually?) an illusion. Given what I've learned about health in recent years, I can't accept that this guy really was in perfect health; if he was, he wouldn't have suffered a major cardiac arrest while simply jogging on a treadmill. I think it's mostly a failure of modern medicine and mode…

I can't accept that this guy really was in perfect health; if he was, he wouldn't have suffered a major cardiac arrest while simply jogging on a treadmill. That may or may not be the case. I suspect that the vast majority of cases of sudden cardiac arrest are attributable to risk factors, but probably not all. Our bodies are pretty incredible, but not perfect. Sometimes they just malfunction.

I think we largely agree - differing only on the interpretation of the word "perfect".

In my interpretation, perfect health means this type of malfunction doesn't happen. But these days, such perfection is very rare, though it's possible with sufficient knowledge and access to diagnostics.

Re: The Fight

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Post by JshWright »

shocks wrote: post #22

A very close friend was in a car accident that put him in a category 3 (GCS) coma for two weeks. Worst two weeks of my life... Until my girlfriend was electrocuted and hospitalised for two weeks barely able to move her body. Worst two weeks of my life... Until I lost a close friend overnight. Bam. Gone. Forever. Life is meant to be lived. Unfortunately, that is a lesson you can only learn by yourself.

Despite the name, comas aren't generally categorized by GCS. If they were, most of us would be walking around in a "Category 15" coma all day...
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