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I find this to be vile political posting, moving responsibility for Trump's rightwing fascism to a social theorists is just misguided, banal and does not belong here. Don't you have X for that?
Philosoph Jürgen Habermas Gestorben
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Europe also has a non-trivial problem with both Islamic terrorism and cultural clash between indigenous Europeans and newly settled Muslims. That reduces empathy towards other Muslims quite significantly.
Why did muslims have to leave their countries? The "cultural clash" didn't appear out of thin air. Muslims are in Europe in large numbers because of wars that Europe and the West either started, fueled, or failed to prevent. To name a few conflicts incited by the West: The Nakba in 1948 displaced 750,000 Palestinians and created a refugee population that still hasn't been resolved. The Soviet-Afghan War displaced 6M+…
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why did muslims have to leave their countries? The "cultural clash" didn't appear out of thin air. Muslims are in Europe in large numbers because of wars that Europe and the West either started, fueled, or failed to prevent. To name a few conflicts incited by the West: The Nakba in 1948 displaced 750,000 Palestinians and created a refugee population that still hasn't been resolved. The Soviet-Afghan War displaced 6M+…
Most Muslims in Europe are descendants of Gastarbeiters from the 1960s and 1970s.
That's only partially true and it conveniently skips the last 15 years.
Yes, Germany's Turkish community largely traces back to Gastarbeiter recruitment in the 1960s/70s.
But since 2010, Germany alone received 850,000 Muslim migrants, with 86% of refugees coming from war zones like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Between 2013 and 2019, nearly 70% of all refugees in Germany were Muslim. Across Europe, large Muslim communities in Sweden, the Netherlands, and elsewhere originate from Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and ex-Yugoslavia, not from guest worker programs.
The Gastarbeiter framing erases the millions who came because their countries were destroyed by wars the West participated in.
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Yes very interesting topic and HIGHLY relevant.
Here is a good essay from Moira Weigel that you might want to read: https://www.boundary2.org/2020/07/moira-weigel-palantir-goes...
It is called „ Palantir Goes to the Frankfurt School“ and analysis Karp‘s PhD thesis. Which, even though he didnt write it under Habermas supervision, was highly influenced by the Frankfurt school (Adorno et al).
The author also provides some thoughts on your question. The connection between Critical Theory and Trumpism
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#25I have to say I'm quite disappointed by his attitude against Palestine. RIP, but not with the victims. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/22/israel-hamas-w...
The majority of Germans is completely biased towards Zionism because of their history, so it's more of a cultural than a personal thing.
This is well known, but isn't this exactly what you ask of a great thinker, to be able to transcend the biases of the culture and provide clarity and guidance? (Though of course at that age is hard to expect much from anyone).
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I find this to be vile political posting, moving responsibility for Trump's rightwing fascism to a social theorists is just misguided, banal and does not belong here. Don't you have X for that?
Wait until you discover that Alex Karp is a (Neo-)Marxist…
Philosophical insights and methods can be used for politics of any color.
I do agree that its wrong to say that Habermas would be responsible(!) for any of that though. As if thinking up stuff would make you responsible for the misuse of those ideas down the road.
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I find this to be vile political posting, moving responsibility for Trump's rightwing fascism to a social theorists is just misguided, banal and does not belong here. Don't you have X for that?
It fits in with the contemporary mainstream on this site, unfortunately. Whenever politics comes up on HN, it invariably brings all the cranks out to play.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most Muslims in Europe are descendants of Gastarbeiters from the 1960s and 1970s.
That's only partially true and it conveniently skips the last 15 years. Yes, Germany's Turkish community largely traces back to Gastarbeiter recruitment in the 1960s/70s. But since 2010, Germany alone received 850,000 Muslim migrants, with 86% of refugees coming from war zones like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Between 2013 and 2019, nearly 70% of all refugees in Germany were Muslim. Across Europe, large Muslim commun…
Approximately 5,5 million Muslims live in Germany. If about 1 million of these came as refugees, that is still a minority within minority.
"The Gastarbeiter framing erases the millions"
Don't try this newspeak at me. I said quite clearly that majority, not all, European Muslims are descendents of Gastarbeiters.
Or OK, lets use your newspeak. When it comes to framing, your framing of the wars in the Middle East is that they are completely attributable to the West. Do the locals have no agency? Didn't they engage in wars prior to rise of Western power? Is the Shi'a-Sunni split a Western plot? Did Islam spread by completely non-violent means?
Muslims are humans, and as such perfectly capable of waging wars on their own.
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I find this to be vile political posting, moving responsibility for Trump's rightwing fascism to a social theorists is just misguided, banal and does not belong here. Don't you have X for that?
1. "Responsibility" was indeed too strong. Involved in the chain of causality, maybe.
2. I'm not blaming Trump's rightwing fascism on social theorists. I wondered whether a backlash against overbearing postmodernism enabled Trump's election victories. Sorry if you find that question vile and banal; I find it rather consequential and important to avoid further fascists.
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#30I love his https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimation_Crisis_(book) but feel this ponderous two-volume set https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_Communicative_Ac... is thoroughly refuted by our last two decades of experience with electronic communications.
Perhaps the missing component is that not only is rationality communicable, but so is irrationally.
The memetic material out there has had an incredible and tumultuous era of rapid evolution. Theres been such radical pressure to get better at consuming our attention, at trying to get ideas to spread. The means have perhaps outstripped the Humana ability to communicate & make sense of so much highly weaponized memetic systems.