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Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by overvale »

gedy wrote: post #19
prngl wrote: post #5

It's funny how the false choice of American politics (Red vs Blue) also makes it into its consumerist corporatist life. That Anthropic's threadbare "limits" on government usage are seen as a heroic stand is a testament to just how far the goalposts on "ethical" deployment of AI have moved to the (fascist) right. As ever, politics precedes technology. We have Reagan's internet, we will have Trump's AI. God help us.

From prior thread is there even "limits"? I thought the Anthropic statements were pointed out to be mostly toothless PR, e.g. "we don't agree", etc.

Not just PR. I mean... they got fired over those limits.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by baq »

There’s a surge of demand for sure, but I’m not at all convinced that it’s at OpenAI’s expense. My bet is the non-swe folks caught wind the things got seriously good at a lot of boring office work, i.e. we’re seeing diffusion of AI into the wider economy.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by landl0rd »

anonyfox wrote: post #10
m-schuetz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's weird, I switched away from ChatGPT because I mostly got superior results from Gemini and Claude.

give 5.4 a shot - its straneg but surprisingly good for once. speaking as a daily opus user.

Tried using 5.4 xhigh/codex yesterday with very narrow direction to write bazel rules for something. This is a pretty boiler-plate-y task with specific requirements. All it had to do was produce a normal rule set s.t. one could write declarative statements to use them just like any other language integration. It gave back a dumpsterfire, just shoehorning specific imperative build scripts into starlark. Asked opus 4.6 and got a normal sane ruleset.

5.4 seems terrible at anything that's even somewhat out-of-distribution.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by partiallypro »

thereitgoes456 wrote: post #3
LaurensBER wrote: post #2

I really enjoyed using Claude but the ever changing limits, weird policies (limited to Claude Code, you can't run Openclaw, etc) made switching a very easy choice. OpenAI simply provides more value for the money at the moment.

What a baffling comment. Aren’t you aware of why this exodus is happening? (It’s not related to “value for the money”!) What are your feelings on that part?

If anyone thinks Anthropic or OpenAI are the "good guys," they've already lost the plot. If you look at additional reporting on the topic, not just the Anthropic PR spin, the disagreements were much more nuanced than it was portrayed by Anthropic. They aren't exactly a reliable narrator on the topic either. In fact it actually just seems like Amodei fumbled the deal and crashed out a bit. He's already walked back his internal memo, and is reportedly still seeking a deal with the Pentagon. I don't trust either CEO, I use their products, but if you're even leaning 51-49 on who is "less evil," I think you're giving too much slack.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by ElFitz »

landl0rd wrote: post #23
anonyfox wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

give 5.4 a shot - its straneg but surprisingly good for once. speaking as a daily opus user.

Tried using 5.4 xhigh/codex yesterday with very narrow direction to write bazel rules for something. This is a pretty boiler-plate-y task with specific requirements. All it had to do was produce a normal rule set s.t. one could write declarative statements to use them just like any other language integration. It gave back a dumpsterfire, just shoehorning specific imperative build scripts into starlark. Asked opus 4.6…

I got it to build a stereoscopic Metal raytracing renderer of a tesseract for the Vision Pro in less than half a day.

It surprisingly went at it progressively, starting with a basic CPU renderer, all the way to a basic special-purpose Metal shader. Now it’s trying its teeth at adding passthrough support. YMMV.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by adrianN »

t0mas88 wrote: post #11

> OpenAI, meanwhile, has been attempting to quell the backlash against its deal with the U.S. government, putting out a blog post claiming that “our tools will not be used to conduct domestic surveillance of U.S. persons,” As a non-US person, that sounds far more concerning than no statement at all. Because if their tools weren't used for surveillance against Europeans they would have said so as a marketing message..…

With n-eyes agreements it’s quite meaningless anyway. Whatever passport you have, somebody spies on you and sells the information to your government.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by causal »

LaurensBER wrote: post #2

I really enjoyed using Claude but the ever changing limits, weird policies (limited to Claude Code, you can't run Openclaw, etc) made switching a very easy choice. OpenAI simply provides more value for the money at the moment.

You're totally allowed to use Claude for OpenClaw and you're totally able to use Claude Code with non-Anthropic models. You must be referring to the fact that you have to use an API key and cannot use the auth intended for Claude-only products, which AFAIK is the same at every AI company (with Google destroying whole Google accounts for offenders most recently).

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by anonyfox »

indigodaddy wrote: post #18
anonyfox wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

give 5.4 a shot - its straneg but surprisingly good for once. speaking as a daily opus user.

Used codex cli (5.4) for the first time (had never used codex or gpt for coding before - was using Opus 4.5 for everything), and it seems quite good. One thing I like is it's very focused on tests. Like it will just start setting up units tests for specs without you asking (whereas Opus would never do that unless you asked)-- I like that and think it's generally good. One thing I don't like about GPT though is it pau…

well I have a running model (ha!) in my head about the frontier providers thats roughly like this:

- chatgpt is kinda autistic and must follow procedures no matter what and writes like some bland soulless but kinda correct style. great at research, horrible at creativity, slow at getting things done but at least getting there. good architect, mid builder, horrible designer/writer.

- claude is the sensitive diva that is able to really produce elegant code but has to be reminded of correctness checks and quality gates repeatedly, so it arrives at something good very fast (sometimes oneshot) but then loses time for correction loops and "those details". great overall balance, but permanent helicoptering needed or else it derails into weird loops.

- grok is the maker, super fast and on target, but doesn't think deeply as the others, its entirely goal/achievement focussed and does just enough things to get there. uniqiely it doesn't argue or self-monologue constantly about doubts or safety or ethics, but drives forward where other stuggles, and faster than others. cannot conenctrate for too long, but delivers fast. tons of quick edits? grok it is. "experimental" stuff that is not safe talking about... definitely grok.

- gemini is whatever you quickly need in your GSuite, plus looking at what others are doing and helping out with a sometimes different perspective, but beyond that worse than all the others on top.

- kimi: currently using it on the side, not bad at all so far, but also nothing distinct I crystallized in my head.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by siliconc0w »

next_xibalba wrote: post #4
LaurensBER wrote: post #2

I really enjoyed using Claude but the ever changing limits, weird policies (limited to Claude Code, you can't run Openclaw, etc) made switching a very easy choice. OpenAI simply provides more value for the money at the moment.

Have you considered using Gemini? Google seems to be on a hot streak with their models, and, since they're playing from behind, I'd expect favorable pricing and terms. But, I don't know anyone who is using or talking about Gemini. All the chatter seems to be Anthropic vs. OpenAI.

I can't even use 3.1 with Gemini CLI, not sure why.
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