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New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

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Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#21

I get the feeling AI will be blamed for this, but I would not rule out the hypothesis that this was done intentionally in order to incite Iran to do something that bolsters support for the US regime’s actions. They desperately need domestic political support for this war and right now even the hardcore MAGA people are against it.

Sounds too convoluted, and implies that those in power in the countries attacking Iran have a grand plan that goes beyond killing people in Iran. The explanation is simpler. They want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately Hitting a school was not a mistake, it was the point.

I think a tragic mistake like this was foreseeable (in a vague sense), but I highly doubt that anyone intentionally bombed an elementary school full of children.

The NYT had some good reporting on this, and you can see how the mistake was made. The elementary school used to be part of the IRGC base until 2016. Then it was fenced off and made an elementary school. The “shooter” (in this case, the USA) had a duty to check that the target was currently a valid military target. This verification, if it was done at all, was clearly the problem.

I’m sure you have someone directly responsible for this mistake who is going to have a hard time living with themselves. But like I said, starting a war leads to inevitable tragedy, and I doubt the people who are indirectly responsible will ever recognize their culpability in this.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#23

I get the feeling AI will be blamed for this, but I would not rule out the hypothesis that this was done intentionally in order to incite Iran to do something that bolsters support for the US regime’s actions. They desperately need domestic political support for this war and right now even the hardcore MAGA people are against it.

Reporting from the CBC mentioned that the school was located within an area surrounded by other military buildings. The building housing the school was used for military purposes in the past.

I think it's more likely that the US was going off of outdated intelligence.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#24

What is not clear is how the US received such faulty intelligence. It is also strange how such a blunder happened on day 1. Did some followed Iranian targets go hide in the school? If so, did Iran have a hand in engineering misleading intel for the US, or was it solely the US' doing? Today a boy's school in Iran was affected by an explosion. The intelligence received by the US chronically seems troubled.

I read secondhand that it was used for military purposes during the Obama years and it appears no one tagged it as now being used as a school for the past 10 years. No idea if it's correct, but it's plausible they were operating off of extremely stale intelligence.

Sounds like (war) criminal negligence.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#25

I get the feeling AI will be blamed for this, but I would not rule out the hypothesis that this was done intentionally in order to incite Iran to do something that bolsters support for the US regime’s actions. They desperately need domestic political support for this war and right now even the hardcore MAGA people are against it.

I can't say I'm as conspiratorial as you.

I don't really know how these systems work, perhaps I shouldn't speak without research.

But it seems like a pretty basic error.

The base has looks like 5 buildings in an L shape. 4 buildings where hit in an L shape.

I can imagine the sites were picked from a satellite image and the wrong building was marked.

Or in flight from the camera the wrong buildings were marked.

It is our arrogance that we can blow up hundreds of buildings that makes us try and see meaning behind these mistakes.

Instead we should just be far more cautious about blowing buildings up because these mistakes are inevitable.

The perfect just war simply does not exist.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#26

I get the feeling AI will be blamed for this, but I would not rule out the hypothesis that this was done intentionally in order to incite Iran to do something that bolsters support for the US regime’s actions. They desperately need domestic political support for this war and right now even the hardcore MAGA people are against it.

Reporting from the CBC mentioned that the school was located within an area surrounded by other military buildings. The building housing the school was used for military purposes in the past. I think it's more likely that the US was going off of outdated intelligence.

Yeah, Occam's Razor and all that. The current admin has proven itself to be poor players of games like checkers, let alone 5D chess.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds too convoluted, and implies that those in power in the countries attacking Iran have a grand plan that goes beyond killing people in Iran. The explanation is simpler. They want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately Hitting a school was not a mistake, it was the point.

I think a tragic mistake like this was foreseeable (in a vague sense), but I highly doubt that anyone intentionally bombed an elementary school full of children. The NYT had some good reporting on this, and you can see how the mistake was made. The elementary school used to be part of the IRGC base until 2016. Then it was fenced off and made an elementary school. The “shooter” (in this case, the USA) had a duty to ch…

It really doesn't matter whether it was a mistake or how the mistake was made. If it were your kid's elementary school that got blown up, would you say "Oh, well, it wasn't intentional. The bad guys just had outdated intelligence. These things happen."

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#28

What is not clear is how the US received such faulty intelligence. It is also strange how such a blunder happened on day 1. Did some followed Iranian targets go hide in the school? If so, did Iran have a hand in engineering misleading intel for the US, or was it solely the US' doing? Today a boy's school in Iran was affected by an explosion. The intelligence received by the US chronically seems troubled.

Gemini lost context and hallucinated some tanks.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read secondhand that it was used for military purposes during the Obama years and it appears no one tagged it as now being used as a school for the past 10 years. No idea if it's correct, but it's plausible they were operating off of extremely stale intelligence.

that sounds plausible. For people not tracking, the concept of intelligence at play is "object based development". One analyst drops a label, brief synopsis, whatever, and it just sits there for the next person who comes along. The world view gets more accurate over time, but there's a recency error that's hard to measure until the probability function collapses with a measurement.

The collapse in this case being the murder of children at school.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#30

What is not clear is how the US received such faulty intelligence. It is also strange how such a blunder happened on day 1. Did some followed Iranian targets go hide in the school? If so, did Iran have a hand in engineering misleading intel for the US, or was it solely the US' doing? Today a boy's school in Iran was affected by an explosion. The intelligence received by the US chronically seems troubled.

I’m afraid Israel will not hesitate from turning Iran into rubble just like what they did in Palestine.

Israel definitely has a lot of moles in Iran. They weren’t bothered to confirm whether the target is a school. US earlier tried to turn it on Iran’s failed defense launch.

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