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Closure of the Weatheradio service in Canada

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Re: Closure of the Weatheradio service in Canada

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I'd noticed something was going on lately. I sent an email over two months ago to Environment Canada about a station near Brockville (VFK721) repeating its intro statement over and over again without a forecast and never got a reply from them. The station's still broken. I guess the stations are just stuck right now live transmitting possibly not even a forecast, just an endless station ID announcement.

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Re: Closure of the Weatheradio service in Canada

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Serious question: might the solution be a satellite broadcast in the clear, a la DVB-S but for data, audio, or video?

Weather radio is a critical service, and even if traditional AM/FM or RF signals are deprecated, there should still be a way for anyone - no matter how remote - to get safety and meteorology information from the government. Given that its constant availability is more important than latency or bandwidth, it feels like an appropriate use for GEO satellites broadcasting down over a large area in the clear, such that any basic SDR and a cheap dish could grab the signal with minimal fuss.

Re: Closure of the Weatheradio service in Canada

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Why was this done?

The current govt is on a bit of an austerity kick at the moment, particularly wrt staffing of public bodies. Would be surprised if this simply wasn't a casualty of that.

The current govt is planning for us to spend $78B more than we take in, about $2,000 per person. That seems pretty far from austerity.

Re: Closure of the Weatheradio service in Canada

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Serious question: might the solution be a satellite broadcast in the clear, a la DVB-S but for data, audio, or video? Weather radio is a critical service, and even if traditional AM/FM or RF signals are deprecated, there should still be a way for anyone - no matter how remote - to get safety and meteorology information from the government. Given that its constant availability is more important than latency or bandwid…

Yeah. I'm down on commercial AM/FM radio being touted as an emergency service, because there's so rarely enough behind the scenes to make it reliable or even minimally usable as such, but this is something purpose-built to fill that role, and shutting it down means there's nothing which can fill it, given how worthless commercial radio is at the task:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minot_train_derailment

> Because it was the middle of the night, there were few people at local radio stations, all operated by Clear Channel with mostly automated programming. No formal emergency warnings were issued for several hours while Minot officials located station managers at home. North Dakota's public radio network, Prairie Public Broadcasting, was notified and did broadcast warnings to citizens.

If you wanted to make commercial radio even minimally acceptable as an emergency alert system you'd be... guess what... reinventing EAS and EAS-a-likes, except more expensive and less responsive! EAS never has to "Interrupt This Program" it can just get to the meat.

Re: Closure of the Weatheradio service in Canada

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Pretty boneheaded move. Yeah I'll download your app (???) so I can listen to critical weather information on my phone that can't even stay powered on an entire day without charging... Cool, guess I'll just take a wild guess as to how this extreme weather is going to proceed. The whole point of these services is their resilience and the fact you can depend on them. Some fragile-ass mobile phone shit is not a suitable replacement for that whatsoever. Totally inexcusable.

Re: Closure of the Weatheradio service in Canada

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post #7

I'm starting to wonder how many Canadians are on Hacker News. This after seeing the BC Time Zone story as well as this one. Just curious, really. I'm wondering what the country breakdown is for Hacker News users.

Canada has an educated population, large online presence, and many folks operate within both the US/Canada under dual citizenship. One can find them in every field from medicine to high energy physics.

If the Corporation is type S it is purely US citizen owned, but most are type C thanks to the great work by AMCHAM attracting global investment.

Notably, most science is done on UTC time... because politicians were always functionally ignorant about the collateral costs of arbitrary technology policy changes. Evey village usually has at least one idiot. =3

Re: Closure of the Weatheradio service in Canada

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post #7

I'm starting to wonder how many Canadians are on Hacker News. This after seeing the BC Time Zone story as well as this one. Just curious, really. I'm wondering what the country breakdown is for Hacker News users.

Based on my own lived bias and HN addiction... The leading demographic has to be West Coast of the USA, then the multinational PNW as the most active HN users.

Again, I am biased, but as far as HN bias goes, that ain't bad. These are amazing places chock-full of the coolest people.

After decades of the West Coast life I now live in rest of world, and wish that rest of world could be so lucky.

Re: Closure of the Weatheradio service in Canada

#28

Serious question: might the solution be a satellite broadcast in the clear, a la DVB-S but for data, audio, or video? Weather radio is a critical service, and even if traditional AM/FM or RF signals are deprecated, there should still be a way for anyone - no matter how remote - to get safety and meteorology information from the government. Given that its constant availability is more important than latency or bandwid…

We probably shouldn't deprecate AM for emergency broadcasts given you can listen to AM radio with grass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9UO9tn4MpI

Re: Closure of the Weatheradio service in Canada

#29
post #7

I'm starting to wonder how many Canadians are on Hacker News. This after seeing the BC Time Zone story as well as this one. Just curious, really. I'm wondering what the country breakdown is for Hacker News users.

Canadian here. AM almost A.

I think the HN population is more distributed geographically then you'd initially think

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