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Bars close and hundreds lose jobs as US firm buys Brewdog in £33M deal

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Re: Bars close and hundreds lose jobs as US firm buys Brewdog in £33M deal

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post #17

Is “have been made redundant” normal phrasing in the UK, or did the BBC just decide to use that kind of bloodless phrasing for “fired?”

being fired and being made redundant are very different under UK law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundancy_in_United_Kingdom_l...

Re: Bars close and hundreds lose jobs as US firm buys Brewdog in £33M deal

#22
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the bloodless phrasing for "sacked"...

I mean is it in common enough use that it shouldn’t stick out to me that a newspaper decided to use it instead of “fired,” “sacked,” or “laid off?” It’s got a whiff of “was involved with a shooting.”

It’s very common phrasing in the U.K.

Re: Bars close and hundreds lose jobs as US firm buys Brewdog in £33M deal

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post #17

Is “have been made redundant” normal phrasing in the UK, or did the BBC just decide to use that kind of bloodless phrasing for “fired?”

That's a normal legal term in the UK:

https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights

Re: Bars close and hundreds lose jobs as US firm buys Brewdog in £33M deal

#24
post #17

Is “have been made redundant” normal phrasing in the UK, or did the BBC just decide to use that kind of bloodless phrasing for “fired?”

It's quasi-legal. You can be "fired" for all sorts of reasons, but in making a post redundant the employer can't then rehire for that position, if large numbers of posts are being made redundant then there needs to be consultations etc.

Re: Bars close and hundreds lose jobs as US firm buys Brewdog in £33M deal

#25
post #17

Is “have been made redundant” normal phrasing in the UK, or did the BBC just decide to use that kind of bloodless phrasing for “fired?”

Being made "redundant" isn't just an synonym for being fired. It has a specific legal meaning in the UK [1]. When employees are made redundant they are entitled to certain rights including statutory redundancy pay [2]. So it's not just a euphemism in UK contexts. And yes this is normal phrasing in the UK.

[1] https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights

[2] https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights/redundancy-pay

Re: Bars close and hundreds lose jobs as US firm buys Brewdog in £33M deal

#26
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the bloodless phrasing for "sacked"...

I mean is it in common enough use that it shouldn’t stick out to me that a newspaper decided to use it instead of “fired,” “sacked,” or “laid off?” It’s got a whiff of “was involved with a shooting.”

It has legal implications, as others have expressed.

It means your position was made redundant, and it allows you to be terminated with little legal complication, but on the understanding that the same position can't be re-hired for within a period, I think it's 6 months.

Of course in reality it's not that simple, you get "made redundant" then they rephrase the job title a bit and hire someone else.

Redundancy in the real, proper form is a consultation process where they will try, if possible to relocate people into other positions, government does it all the time when there's cuts, and they'll often offer voluntary redundancy where they pay you X amount to quit, it's usually a reasonable sum and should leave you with more than enough cash in "normal" circumstances to find another job comfortably, or see you through to retirement if you're pretty close.

Sometimes it's just a way to get rid of people who are shit or you don't like.

If you're gonna lose your job, being made "redundant" is the way you want to do it.

Re: Bars close and hundreds lose jobs as US firm buys Brewdog in £33M deal

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post #12

I've been hearing buzz that the whole alcohol industry is in trouble, from a perfect storm of cultural changes that culminate in young people drinking less, and particularly drinking less in bars. With that context, it seems notable that the booze company in question here was purchased by a "beverage and medical cannabis " corp.

It also seems like GLP-1 drugs may reduce drinking too.

Started ozempic over a year ago. I can do like one beer per social outing these days.

Re: Bars close and hundreds lose jobs as US firm buys Brewdog in £33M deal

#28
post #17

Is “have been made redundant” normal phrasing in the UK, or did the BBC just decide to use that kind of bloodless phrasing for “fired?”

Redundancy is closer to "layoff" than "fired". One is for a clear cause, the other is just "we don't feel like paying you money because a second employee can do that job in addition to his own".

Re: Bars close and hundreds lose jobs as US firm buys Brewdog in £33M deal

#29
post #18
post #14

From the guardian: “But about 220,000 investors, who contributed £75m in crowdfunding across seven “equity for punks” rounds, could walk away with nothing.” I used to love the idea of crowdfunding but then I watched a bunch of people buy worthless common stock and get hosed over and over.

As George Carlin said, “it’s a big club, and you’re not in it.” Capitalism is not for the little guy, or at least not the version we’ve built.

… they’ve built.

Re: Bars close and hundreds lose jobs as US firm buys Brewdog in £33M deal

#30
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before Brewdog if you wanted IPAs in 2000s england you paid 8 quid for a single small bottle of imported Racer 5 from Utobeer in Borough Market. They weren’t the entire change but they were a big part of it.

Oh no doubt, credit where credit is due. They served a purpose, but like anything cool in life, expansion and profits ate their soul and there are obviously so many better places to enjoy a pint (or grapefruit) these days :)

I'm sure we're in agreement that, at least in UK, there's been better pubs for 200+ years. I don't know why to go to a chain-pub with some mega-factory beer when the old-local serves a fine bitter from the same county. Am I old?
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