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Re: Everything Changes, and Nothing Changes

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Post by wolvesechoes »

nine_k wrote: post #16
dventimi wrote: post #3

So...software engineers become product managers? All of us? That's going to be an awful lot of product managers.

More like architects, in the civil engineering sense. Even if you don't pour concrete or drive nails yourself, you have to have a lot of technical understanding, including the low level, to be able to design a building competently. And, very certainly, you have to be able to inspect how the nails are driven and how the bricks are laid, whether your contractors are humans or robots.

> And, very certainly, you have to be able to inspect how the nails are driven and how the bricks are laid, whether your contractors are humans or robots.

As someone coming from non-software engineering (mechanical), I always believed that good engineer is capable, and sometimes does these things himself. This guarantees he actually understands his domain in all aspects.

Re: Everything Changes, and Nothing Changes

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Post by camgunz »

I think the thing that drives me nuts is that, while most people think the result of programming is a program, I disagree. The result of programming is one or more people who have a deep understanding of a problem space. Codegen models still require a human in the loop; that human has to be a software expert. You only become a software expert by writing software.

Re: Everything Changes, and Nothing Changes

#23

Post by dventimi »

nine_k wrote: post #19
dventimi wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I create a lot of applications with AI. I don't inspect any of the cod.

Maybe you should, something fishy may be going on in it.

Maybe I shouldn't. Something fishy may not be going on in it, and that would become a waste of time.

Re: Everything Changes, and Nothing Changes

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Post by nine_k »

dventimi wrote: post #23
nine_k wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you should, something fishy may be going on in it.

Maybe I shouldn't. Something fishy may not be going on in it, and that would become a waste of time.

Full disclosure: it was a reference to the "cod" in your reply.

Re: Everything Changes, and Nothing Changes

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Post by dventimi »

nine_k wrote: post #24
dventimi wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I shouldn't. Something fishy may not be going on in it, and that would become a waste of time.

Full disclosure: it was a reference to the "cod" in your reply.

That was a typo from a phone keyboard.

Re: Everything Changes, and Nothing Changes

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

dventimi wrote: post #17
nine_k wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like architects, in the civil engineering sense. Even if you don't pour concrete or drive nails yourself, you have to have a lot of technical understanding, including the low level, to be able to design a building competently. And, very certainly, you have to be able to inspect how the nails are driven and how the bricks are laid, whether your contractors are humans or robots.

I create a lot of applications with AI. I don't inspect any of the cod.

And you're bragging about it? Lmao.
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