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The Robotic Dexterity Deadlock

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Re: The Robotic Dexterity Deadlock

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Post by mikepurvis »

amluto wrote: post #15
program_whiz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one major draw to human-like for factors is the reuse of existing ecosystems and tools. If you have human-like grasping, you can reuse tools and utensils for human hands, otherwise, you need custom attachments. If you have human-like legs you can navigate stairs, wear pants for customization, and possibly operate a car or bike. Its a bit like choosing JS / python -- of course performance is inferior to a comp…

There are a whole lot of tools intended for human use that I would use much more effectively if I could rotate my wrist repeatedly in the same direction.

But that's a superset of human functionality, aka even worse.

Re: The Robotic Dexterity Deadlock

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Post by airstrike »

analognoise wrote: post #17

It’s not X. It’s Y. Multiple times, over and over. We need to stop with the AI stuff.

Plus a bunch of other elements that are dead giveaways.

In this day and age, I wish people would ask any model OTHER than ChatGPT to rewrite their shit. At least we'd get a different flavor of slop.

Re: The Robotic Dexterity Deadlock

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Post by kstrauser »

"This deployment is temporarily paused" is the crappiest "this account has gone over its budget" error page ever. Does that mean the site's down, or is that some meta-joke like "you've reached the end of the Internet"? Quick, explain to my non-technical friends what a "deployment" is. They're not trying to go on a deployment; they're trying to look at a website.

Re: The Robotic Dexterity Deadlock

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Post by 827a »

kstrauser wrote: post #25

"This deployment is temporarily paused" is the crappiest "this account has gone over its budget" error page ever. Does that mean the site's down, or is that some meta-joke like "you've reached the end of the Internet"? Quick, explain to my non-technical friends what a "deployment" is. They're not trying to go on a deployment; they're trying to look at a website.

In this case, I'm not sure it matters what it says or how your non-technical friends interpret it. The site is down. Why it is down doesn't change the next thing casual viewers will do (close the tab).

Re: The Robotic Dexterity Deadlock

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Post by furyofantares »

analognoise wrote: post #17

It’s not X. It’s Y. Multiple times, over and over. We need to stop with the AI stuff.

Tip for those who want to skip shit like this, excessive headings glued together by bullet points is quicker to spot, especially since the headings almost always start with "The".

I now scroll any AI-adjacent article I see and just read headings and if I see this I know what I'm getting into:

The Dexterity Deadlock

The Problem

The Geometric Curse

The Sim-to-Real Gap

The Structural Gap f(⋅)

Seeing It in Motion

The N^2 Impedance Mismatch

The Chaos Term ϵchaos

The Information Wall

The Weakest Link

Why Manipulation Needs Better

What We Built

From 288 to 15

Does It Work?

Hardware Validation

Robot Hand Landscape

The Take-Home

Re: The Robotic Dexterity Deadlock

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Post by numpad0 »

program_whiz wrote: post #7
Zigurd wrote: post #3

Surgical robots, and robot pianos both exist. Neither employ humanoid hands. This all just illustrates how humanoid robots are, in multiple dimensions, going down technology rat holes. In some cases better solutions already exist without looking humanoid. In other cases, the humanoid form factor fails to address problems like a high center of gravity in a device that needs to not fall on grandma while helping her aro…

I think one major draw to human-like for factors is the reuse of existing ecosystems and tools. If you have human-like grasping, you can reuse tools and utensils for human hands, otherwise, you need custom attachments. If you have human-like legs you can navigate stairs, wear pants for customization, and possibly operate a car or bike. Its a bit like choosing JS / python -- of course performance is inferior to a comp…

Reuse tools to do what? Touch type on a mechanical keyboard?

What makes human hands especially suitable for e.g. assembling a phone or installing a door handle onto a car?

Re: The Robotic Dexterity Deadlock

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Post by mort96 »

827a wrote: post #27
kstrauser wrote: post #25

"This deployment is temporarily paused" is the crappiest "this account has gone over its budget" error page ever. Does that mean the site's down, or is that some meta-joke like "you've reached the end of the Internet"? Quick, explain to my non-technical friends what a "deployment" is. They're not trying to go on a deployment; they're trying to look at a website.

In this case, I'm not sure it matters what it says or how your non-technical friends interpret it. The site is down. Why it is down doesn't change the next thing casual viewers will do (close the tab).

But it does matter to their opinion of the site: is it down because the author took it down, is it down due to a technical problem, or is it is it down because the hosting provider took it down?

"This deployment is temporarily paused", if anything, sounds like the people who put the site up took it down again. That sends the wrong message.

Personally, if my hosting provider took my post down, I'd want them to make that obvious to my visitors. Or at the very least make it look like a technical issue. Not make it look like I took it down.

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